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  1. Shinshoryu is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by metarat
    I have no personally gathered statistical basis for my pesrsonal statements... however IMO after over five years delivering healthcare in a correctional environment, I would say these figures are on or, probably, low, for correctional institutions in the U.S.

    The U.S., to my knowledge, has no comprehensive nationwide database.


    Oh yeah, you should go love some cons, too.
    It seems this could go on and on and on... So I'll just say this: relax, not because you didn't know some statistical figures you implied to know on your previous posts, regarding US or Canadian public health, it means people have stopped loving you. Take a deep breath and... well, you know how it goes.
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    I care not about yer sweaty love. I wasn't intending in the original post to imply I was an expert or knowledgable on stats, although as we see they are out there. I put out my opinion on what MA folks should do for their own well-being based on my general knowlegde of the subject.

    If I do err, I deliberately try to err on the side of caution; I am a nurse and a manager dealing with health issues (just incidentally for the incarcerated) and am paid to do so.

    Meanwhile someone wishes to engage in debate using smiley faces and lampooning my statements, questioning that great and relativistic god "facts".

    Keep in mind that there may be a lot of people even younger and dumber than you reading this exchange; that you can "own" my quick posts using kweul arguments and smiley-faces may actually cause someone to disregard the argument advanced by myself and others that Hepatitis and other communicable diseases are increasing in both prevalence and transmission rates, and are nothing to fool around with.

    Bottom line, anybody who is concerned about their health should get all the vaccinations for communicable diseases they reasonably can. I'm not trying to make people paranoid, thats my opinion and I have over twenty years medical experience behind it. I also have friends with Hep. C.

    Any intellegent comment, mr. smiley?
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    Anyone else wish that testing for communicable diseases was mandatory for all athletes (maybe starting in High School)? Besides keeping people from getting sick, and possibly saving lives, it would make everyone a little more comfortable with each other. I tend to bleed a lot when I get cut, and I hate that look I always get when someone realizes I've bled on them during sparring. I blame #32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metarat
    I care not about yer sweaty love. I wasn't intending in the original post to imply I was an expert or knowledgable on stats, although as we see they are out there. I put out my opinion on what MA folks should do for their own well-being based on my general knowlegde of the subject.
    Sorry if confused you. I meant the “other” people that certainly love you. The ones outside the interweb.

    Quote Originally Posted by metarat
    Meanwhile someone wishes to engage in debate using smiley faces and lampooning my statements, questioning that great and relativistic god "facts".

    Keep in mind that there may be a lot of people even younger and dumber than you reading this exchange; that you can "own" my quick posts using kweul arguments and smiley-faces may actually cause someone to disregard the argument advanced by myself and others that Hepatitis and other communicable diseases are increasing in both prevalence and transmission rates, and are nothing to fool around with.

    Very well, let’s get serious.

    Hep A is a little bit worse that the average traveller's diarrhea
    Hepatitis A
    Etiology: Hepatitis A virus (HAV)
    Typical presentation: 1.- Anorexia, nausea, vomiting, malaise, flu-like symptoms. 2.- Fever, hepatomegaly, jaundice. 3.- Normal-Low leucocyte count, elevation of AST & ALT. 4.- Acute fulminant hepatitis (uncommon)
    Lab: HAV markers
    Treatment: Bed rest.

    Traveler’s diarrhea
    Etiology: E. coli, Shigella sp, C. jejuni (all bacterial)
    Typical presentation: diarrhea(dysentery sometimes), abdominal cramps, occasional vomiting, weakness, dehydration
    Lab: CBC, stool sample and culture may be required.
    Treatment: Symptomatic, rehydration therapy. Dysentery or severe persistent diarrhea usually indicates the need of antibiotics.

    What exactly you saw in common between these two, apart from the fact that they affect the GI tract in two entirely different places, I want to remain wondering (please, let it not be that you were thinking HUS).

    I as a big strong cuddly male Nurse would reccomend if you got insurance, you get vacc. for Hep A.
    As you sort of pointed out, health, social, and other conditions in the United States, make Hepatitis A a relatively infrequent disease to acquire. Also, immunity lasts for about 4 years after administration of 3 doses, not to mention that it has some minor adverse effects that occur in up to 30% of patients, and some serious allergic reactions that occur much less frequently but still, if you get the shots you are entering the lottery.
    Current recommendations are as follows:
    1. Chronic liver disease
    2. Receptor of clotting factor concentrates
    3. Illegal drug users
    4. Homosexual men
    5. Health workers or people handling potentially infected material
    6. Travelers to endemic areas


    Putting the vaccine without any indication whatsoever but the desire to obtain immunity is like taking an aspirin in the morning just in case you get a headache during the day. Considering that immunity is not forever, unless you’re planning to do this routinely every 4 years or so, in the unlikely event that you get exposed without any risk factors, you might still get the disease. So, why not better go to see a doctor if you think you might be at risk instead.

    Hep B is potentially fatal and will periodically flare up and damage your liver for the rest of your life if you contract it.
    Since you are a nurse with 20+ years of experience, I suppose you are referring to chronic Hepatitis B infection, which occurs (we are talking about adults here) in about 1-2% of immunocompetent individuals after resolution of the acute phase. The other 98% -huge majority- of people that get infected, eventually get cured and automatically (and possibly better) immunized.



    Quote Originally Posted by metarat
    Bottom line, anybody who is concerned about their health should get all the vaccinations for communicable diseases they reasonably can. I'm not trying to make people paranoid, thats my opinion and I have over twenty years medical experience behind it. I also have friends with Hep. C.

    Any intellegent comment, mr. smiley?
    Your personal opinions are irrelevant, particularly when there is statistical data available.
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    No source cited for your "facts", which directly conflict with the Merck Manual, a reference routinely used in hospitals, and the Centers for Disease Control.

    http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec03/ch027/ch027b.html#sec03-ch027-ch027b-425

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm


    What were you quoting, your textbook from Health class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by metarat
    No source cited for your "facts", which directly conflict with the Merck Manual, a reference routinely used in hospitals, and the Centers for Disease Control.

    http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec03/ch027/ch027b.html#sec03-ch027-ch027b-425

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm


    What were you quoting, your textbook from Health class?

    1. Tierney, Lawrance Jr. et al. Current Medical Diagnosis & Treatment. 40th Edition,
      New York: McGraw-Hill, 2001
    2. www.cdc.gov
    3. www.ahrq.gov/clinic/uspstfix.htm



    ... and so, Shinshoryu slowly turns around from this thread, realizing the futility of continuing with this discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinshoryu
    ... and so, Shinshoryu slowly turns around from this thread, realizing the futility of continuing with this discussion.
    You are correct; I will never acknowledge that Hepatitis should be taken lightly, or that it is not worth while to be immunized when vaccination is possible.

    You see, your opinions and your exerpted statistics are irrelevant; you do aikido. :tongue9:
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