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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    That wasn't the worst of the worst.....he just has the worst accent ;)

    That accent is nuts.

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    Very enjoyable read...makes a lot of sense...

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    Bah, this gets me thinking about recent discussions with my Kajukenbo instructor who comes from a Ke?po background. (my instructor is a blackbelt in both, his ke?po sensei was Master Lim in AZ, he hosts some point sparring tournaments here)

    He seems to favor alot of open hand strikes and doing multiple strikes in one attack, such as hitting first with the fist on the neck then angling the arm so the wrist gets in a strike as well and finishing with the elbow. Seems to me that this would take away from the force of each one, making it less effective, but I am not sure.

    He used the Ultimate fighter episode where the two lads get in a fight outside as an example of what is wrong with MMA as far as self defense goes.

    "Real people don't fight like that, waiting in a defense posture and throwing one or two punches. They fight like that because that is how they trained."

    Pretty much 'that wouldn't work in the street' stuff.

    I am sure if I point out the many examples from UFC 71 where people were throwing mad punches "like in the street" and got owned it would be ignored.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Whorian Gracie
    The more you type about your instructor the less I understand why you stay.
    It's cheap, is a decent workout, and With my current work schedule it's all I have time for. Plus he is my boss. Also somewhere in the back of my mind I keep thinking he will return to his earlier practice format which included more sparring.

    It blows my mind that as the dojo has become more profitable and popular and we have more experienced people we are doing less alive training, if any at all, rather than more.

    But hey, I may have a chance to move back to washington (re my 'career advice' thread) where my brother does boxing and judo.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NunOnBreak

    He used the Ultimate fighter episode where the two lads get in a fight outside as an example of what is wrong with MMA as far as self defense goes.

    "Real people don't fight like that, waiting in a defense posture and throwing one or two punches. They fight like that because that is how they trained.".
    Ironic but I've heard similar in my experience. What I say in response is, "So in your opinion, people throw one, overly committed static punch, and then just stand there waiting for you to beat them up?"
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    I can only partially agree with the premise of the critique. Kenpo is quite effective provided it is trained properly. One thing to keep in mind about kenpo techniques is that they are models of motion. They are just training tools. I have never used a full technique in a fight, but I have used pieces of several techniques. Contrary to popular opinion, kenpoists are not only reactive. I've attacked plenty of would-be attackers with preemtive strikes. Techniques are taught from a reative perspective, but sparring is taught from an offensive paradigm. I can readily convert between the two. Kenpo does lack ground fighting. Ed Parker was not a fan of ground fighting because he was often in fights with multiple attackers and found ground work quite impractical. I disagree to an extent. I train ground fighting but fully recognize its weaknesses and limitations. I need to know what to do if I end up on the ground, though.

    Sadly, far too few kenpoists train realistically. Many kenpoists are locked into the methodology of techniques without expounding upon the underlying concepts that techniques are meant to teach. In application, kenpo techniques are not much different from boxing, muay thai, bjj, or any other art. Just because the techniques are taught against "lunge punches" does not mean that such punches are the only attacks that those tecniques can be used against. Anytime an attacker commits opens an opportunity for the use of a technique. It's funny, boxers who are counterpunchers never draw the same criticisms. Kenpoists simply use many similar strategies as boxers, but counterattack with different types of strikes. The video used to illustrate kenpo is one of the worst I've bever seen. Look for videos of Clyde Obriant sparring in the Throwdown videos to see what good kenpo looks like in action.

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    I agree with the critique.

    We need to promote the evolution of Kenpo into a true martial art that can be used in either self defense or MMA or MMA-like competition.

    In my dojo, 50% of group classes are dedicated to sparring, mitwork, and the like.

    The other 50% are calisthenics and conditioning.

    Private classes, on the other hand, is where you're expected to learn the various Tracy System belt requirements, and where you learn good form for kicks, punches, etc.

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    Kempo

    Kempo is a wonderful art, the trick is to keep an open mind. As stated by KempoFist one must not get snared by the rigidity of traditional training. The absolute best way to learn your art is to put it against another and try to stick to your techniques as much as practicality will allow.

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