I guess I need to apologize. My goal was not to piss every one off and I am kind of shocked by the way people are reacting.
The points I was trying to make were:
1. People in the military no matter what their job should be considere martial artists and don't get the respect that they should.
2. martial = military, in the not too distant past martial arts belonged to the military. Most people did not have anything to do with them.
3. Hobby is not a bad word. For most people here this is not your vocation. It is something you do because you enjoy it and get something out of it, whatever that may be.
4. There is much more to martial arts than hand to hand combat
5. A lot of people here rant about how deadly their art is, it was the 'too deadly to compete' idea that I was speaking to.
So, I am sorry if anyone took this as an insult, it was a point of view, not an attack.
Umm, I think I get what M1K3 is saying, and I think you're taking it wrong.
Originally Posted by Steve
I don't think a slight was meant on anyone not choosing to be in the military.
I don't -think- he meant to talk smack about anyone who trains sincerely and seriously in Martial Arts.
I don't even think he meant to take a **** on law enforcement, tho' inadvertently he did-- those folks are exposed nearly constantly to the potential of violence and harm, almost constantly, every shift of their career unless and until they get a total desk job. The average member of the military doesn't have nearly as many hours in a hot zone. So, equal props to LE Pros, at least, okay?
I THINK what we're working on here, is that the military OR law enforcement pro lives and works in an environment where they may actually have to fight FOR REAL, even if that fighting is pulling a trigger or dropping a bomb on some poor shits you can't see clearly, not hand-to-hand physical combat. AND they are at risk, real statistical risk, for getting wasted, blown up, offed, killed dead.
I didn't see any implication that this is glorious; it is in fact a hell of a way to make a living. And I don't read any slight on anyone who doesn't choose to live that way.
But people who don't do danger for a living (and I'll include Corrections Officers, Bouncers and Bodyguards), they are doing SPORT MA. And sports can be dangerous, but its not the same as living with a real risk of violent death daily. You can MAKE your sport serious, by choosing to fight in competition, but don't confuse the SPORT with the REALITY, especially those of us who don't fight all the time.
That's what I think he meant, or maybe its just what I'm saying.
(metarat, SSG USAR(eserves) Retired, 1983-2004)
I was a REMF for 21 years, and I DON'T choose to go back and fight for Georgey and maybe orphan my kids-- but I repect people who live with real danger, including all job classes mentioned above and probably some more.
Thank you, someone with a better command of english and a lot more sense. This was not a put down especially to law enforcement.
Originally Posted by metarat
Actually, I probably should say sorry too...everyone knows what I am like before a coffee in the morning! (touchy and whiny as ****!)
Originally Posted by M1K3
It wasn't so much your sentiment as your phrasing that was bad - and yes, maybe I took it a bit too personally with the "only those in the military...." line of thought ( for reasons metarat picked up on).
Martial actually means "war-LIKE" rather than "military" - in other words, a combative skill. That means that it does mean war per see but ANY conflict scenario.
And let us not forget that the military were often the peace-keepers in the periods when they were not fighting (so the arts they learned were emplyed AWAY from the battlefield) so in many ways the line between LEO and soldier is blurry
I think most people get what you were saying but were a little ticked off by the "wooly" expression.
Anyway, no blood, no foul - the military always have my respect (well, until they get drunk off duty and start bar fights, but that is another story!)
I'll respond for him in his while he's away...
Originally Posted by debul937
Thank you Wolf. He does it a little better, but you did well nonetheless.
M1k3 does make some valid points but did it in an ineffective way. More live debate and less dead ranting!
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Okay, I'll be serious, but I don't have a whole lot to add, seeing as how Metarat and Hannibal pretty much addressed my gripes with the OP. I suppose the problem was just in the tone of your post. Some points I agree with. Some I don't. Personally, I was in the USMC, for a while at least, and I never considered myself a martial artist just because I was (unless you count bar-fights with sailors and other Marines martial arts). Your definition for a martial artist was valid at one point in time, but it is valid no longer. Soldiers are soldiers and martial artists are something else. Just my take on things.
Haha. REMF. Haven't heard that in a while. But the pension's good, no?
Originally Posted by metarat
CLOWN THINK HE AM SMART.
CLOWN NOT SMART.
CLOWN SAY WE NOT MARSHUL ARTISTS IF NOT IN ARMEE.
ME SAY CLOWN AM NOT FIGHTER.
ME SAY CLOWN AM CLOWN.
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