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  1. PizDoff is offline

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    http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/08/13/science.italy.iceman.reut/index.html


    ROME, Italy (Reuters) -- Italy's prehistoric iceman nicknamed "Otzi" may have been shot in the back with an arrow, but he only died after prolonged combat with his foes, new DNA evidence has shown.

    Otzi, the 5,000-year-old corpse dug out of a glacier in northern Italy more than a decade ago, had traces of blood from four different people on his clothes and weapons, molecular archaeologist Tom Loy said on Wednesday.

    He also had "defensive cut wounds" on his hands, wrists and rib cage, Loy said after recent blood and DNA tests. Loy, a senior lecturer at Queensland University in Brisbane, travelled to the northern Italian town of Bolzano for the research.

    "Presumably he was in a combat situation for between 24 to 48 hours before he died," Loy said in a telephone interview.

    "I think one of the things we could advance is that he shot at least two different people and retrieved his arrow, but then he shot at something else and missed, shattering his arrow."

    Loy took initial blood samples from Otzi's arrows, knife and coat in July. Amplifying and sequencing the samples, he concluded they belonged to four different people -- not including Otzi himself.

    "The plot thickens a bit now," Loy said. "Rather than a simple murder...it looks like he may have put himself in a boundary situation where bloody battles often occur."

    Perfectly preserved
    Otzi, the oldest mummy ever unearthed, was found in the Italian Alps in 1991. Scientists were thrilled to find he had remained frozen, and almost perfectly preserved, for thousands of years.

    He wore clothing made from leather and grasses and carried a copper axe, a bow and arrows. Speculation immediately began about who he was and why he died where he did, but it was hard to do too much checking without damaging his body.

    Later, an arrowhead was found in his left shoulder, suggesting Otzi did not simply freeze to death while climbing the high mountains, but was shot by a fellow hunter.

    After studying the corpse's intestines, Italian researcher Franco Rollo concluded last year that the iceman's final meals consisted of venison and ibex meat.

    The latest research gives scientists a glimpse of what the stone age hunter's last, bloody hours must have been like.

    Loy said the tools that Otzi was carrying suggest he was a specialist hunter who often worked above the tree line in high passes that were often boundary areas between different, hostile language groups.

    He said the blood found on the back of Otzi's coat could have come from a wounded companion that he was carrying, but that the arrows and knife blade suggest that he was also fighting off at least two foes.


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  2. PizDoff is offline

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    apparently no one finds this the slight bit amusing

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    He was a great warrior. RESPECT
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    Amusing? No

    Interesting? Oh yeah!

    Thanks PD

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    The followers of ice-man style aren't brought down by mere arrows.

    If he scoots out too aggressively his body may go shooting out like a champaign cork and go flying into the audience, leaving a gingerbread man-shaped hole in the wall. -- Boyd

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  6. PizDoff is offline

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    guy deserves a freaking medal or something
    i'm buying!

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    I smell a bad movie.
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    i read this a while ago. i found it interesting.

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    That really was pathetic Piz Doff. No one laughed 'til the milk came out their nose!


    Luckily this guy wasn't hit with a hollowpoint arrow!
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    I thought it was funny.
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