2/20/2007 10:35am, #11
Never got the chance to meet up with Russell, but the adverts on the PP stuff were...suspicious to say the least.
For one thing, if I am advertising a system based on striking effectiveness would i REALLY want Heroll Graham advocating it? Now the man was a great boxer, but he was not in any way shape or form a puncher. What he is though is a reconisable name that can be thrown out amongst other "fureyesque" marketing.
PP's remain something that I will never be convinced of until you drop me with it. To advocate them as a legitimate SD technique is just irresponsible
2/20/2007 10:46am, #12
Originally Posted by sochin101
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2/20/2007 11:15am, #13Originally Posted by Elky
Puzzled that you didn't see anything wrong with wrist locks though :happy:, LOL.
I wonder if this is a case of marketing gone awry, or something more insidious?Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.
2/20/2007 11:20am, #14Originally Posted by Hannibal MAP
*this is entirely possible.Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.
2/20/2007 12:41pm, #15
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The name Anthony Bailey is ringing a bell, for some reason....he doesn't go under the piss poor nickname Anthony "Bad Boy" Bailey, does he?
2/20/2007 1:02pm, #16Originally Posted by sochin101
In Police UDT training there are several PP's taught as compliance techniques (typically for use against non-violent protesters, which should give you a clue as to the effectiveness in actual combat)
Out the the 5 or so we are shown, not a single one actually works on me at a level beyond slight irritation and discomfort. No bear in mind that these are practiced with no stress, and you are basically told to sit there and react so your partner can learn the technique.
PP's (at least as they are presented in the magic panacea sense) are unreliable and unsafe - end of
2/20/2007 4:01pm, #17
I'm seconding Hannibal's post. I actually had a cut on my arm from a DT (defensive tactics) instructor trying to work a bicep/tricep PP to the point where his fingernail cut the skin. It still wasn't enough to get me to move from my oh-so-threatening stance of "Sit there cross-legged and pretend to be a passive demonstrator." The one at the base of the jaw just below the ear, on the other hand, moved me quite efficiently. That said, PP is very low on the force matrix - you don't use it on someone who is fighting back or even actively resisting."Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
- Terry Goodkind, "Faith of the Fallen"
2/20/2007 4:20pm, #18
I view pressure points as an annoyance... my experience of them differs from you fine LEO types, but I agree; useless until proved otherwise.Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.
2/20/2007 5:03pm, #19
the one behind the ear at the top of the jaw can be REALLY REALLY handy when grappling. I used it in wrestling in high school to get people to move their head on a pretty regular basis. Other than that, I think mild discomfort is the best way to describe the rest of them.
2/21/2007 4:11pm, #20
In the absence of the original poster, I've taken the liberty of emailing Russell Stutely to make him aware of this thread.
In a nutshell, I've invited him to post a rebuttal of the assertions that PP techniques are next to worthless.
If he posts, I'm sure we can expect some interesting debate regarding pressure points and their place in self-defence.
Oh, and I was polite in the email.:5bowtie:Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.