Damn Japanophiles

**glad2bhere** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 8:43am

The strength of my objection has more to do with the cavalier manner in which Japanese traditions seem to be held up as the de-facto standard for all other arts. Grappling is often judged according to Judo, manipulation is gauged according to Aikido and concussive techniques are measured according to Kempo and Karate. I know that there is much published material about Japanese arts, but I wonder how many people ofther than myself get tired of always having Japanese concepts, Japanese terminology, Japanese culture and Japanese equiptment referenced to explain Korean, Chinese, Indonesian, Phillipino and Thai traditions? Thoughts?

Best Wishes,

Bruce

**WorldWarCheese** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 8:54am

Originally Posted by glad2bhere

The strength of my objection has more to do with the cavalier manner in which Japanese traditions seem to be held up as the de-facto standard for all other arts. Grappling is often judged according to Judo, manipulation is gauged according to Aikido and concussive techniques are measured according to Kempo and Karate. I know that there is much published material about Japanese arts, but I wonder how many people ofther than myself get tired of always having Japanese concepts, Japanese terminology, Japanese culture and Japanese equiptment referenced to explain Korean, Chinese, Indonesian, Phillipino and Thai traditions? Thoughts?

Best Wishes,

Bruce

Pfft, if any grappling art can compare itself to the one used by the Almighty Judo God Kimura they should count themselves lucky, IMO. :waoya

But whatever. And I think it's basically because of the popularity of Japanese arts after things like TMNT and The Karate Kid. It wasn't The Muay Thai Kid, after all...

Anyhoo, yeah, the thing is a lot of the Japanophiles take martial arts... most of them bad, BUT BUT BUT if it weren't for Japanophiles in Anime Sections of comic book stores listening to me about Kyokushin and Judo then going home and watching "This is Kyokushin by Daisukey" and that nutso Kyoto U Judo Team Promo vids on youtube I think my Dojo's would have a lot less highly dedicated and supremely insane students willing to hit themselves in the nuts with a baseball bat yelling OSU if you asked with a Japanese Accent. :eusa_whis

My advice: USE the 'tards, they can be useful for the struggling Dojo.

**wakinonioi** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 9:00am

Originally Posted by glad2bhere

I wonder how many people ofther than myself get tired of always having Japanese concepts, Japanese terminology, Japanese culture and Japanese equiptment referenced to explain Korean, Chinese, Indonesian, Phillipino and Thai traditions? Thoughts?

I think that you are very fortunate to have so few problems that you can worry about stuff like that.

**spathophile** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 9:17am

eight basic Iai kata?, I don't know about that, I know what I do is pretty much the most basic of the techniques found kenjutsu, but at the same time, I don't really study much Iaido. I mean hey maybe thats it, I only know the moves, not the names, so I guess that could be it.

well thanks for that man, I'll see what I can dig up on that

**spooky** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 9:41am

You need a teacher. Sorry but IMO if your not studying under someone then you're not studying Kenjutsu you’re merely waving a stick around!

Basics differ from Ryu to Ryu, they may share similar stuff but they also have a differences. Jigen Ryu will differ to Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu which will be different to Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu etc...

***Plasma*** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 9:59am

Originally Posted by spooky

You need a teacher. Sorry but IMO if your not studying under someone then you're not studying Kenjutsu you’re merely waving a stick around!

Basics differ from Ryu to Ryu, they may share similar stuff but they also have a differences. Jigen Ryu will differ to Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu which will be different to Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu etc...

Spooky is correct. If not the Iaido kata from Kendo Federation, where did you pick up there basics, from who?

**WorldWarCheese** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 10:58am

Originally Posted by spooky

You need a teacher. Sorry but IMO if your not studying under someone then you're not studying Kenjutsu you’re merely waving a stick around!

Basics differ from Ryu to Ryu, they may share similar stuff but they also have a differences. Jigen Ryu will differ to Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu which will be different to Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu etc...

Mmhmm... Agreed. My 13 year old brother has half-a-dozen books and DVD's on iaido/Kendo/Kenjutsu/Battojutsu/Ultimate Killing Sword Technique of Musashi (who wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hell against Kimura... just to put that little bit in:bootyshak ) but does that make him a student of Kenjutsu? Nope, makes him a kid with too much free time and not enough porn.

You need a teacher to be a student.

[old chinese accent]TEACHAH WORTH A THOUSAND BOOKS. HE WHO IS MY TEACHAH FOR A DAY IS MY FATHER FOR LIFE[old chinese voice/]

And if the case is you're really just someone swinging your stick around, are you really in a position to complain about the Japanophiles who I can at least coerce into taking Kyokushin-Kai?

**spooky** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 11:17am

Originally Posted by WorldWarCheese

Musashi (who wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hell against Kimura...

Step outside now! :qright6:

:icon_bigg

**spathophile** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 4:41pm

wow, chill out, don't jump down my throat all at once, Like I said from another post, I have an uncle who has experience in a variety, now I'm not saying he's a black belt in all them of but he's tried out alot of different things, in some of the schools he's studied in he learned a variety of weapons, yes I have worked on my own alot, but at the same time I consulted with him plenty over the years, and I can say through him and his advice, plus my 10 years of constant research, experimentation, and less not forget the 25 other martial artist I've been friends with who I would constantly traded off knowledge with, I was taught to an extent, but not all at once in dojo, it part my efforts and part **** load of help from other people, this is why I don't claim any specific school or Ryu, because I was never traditionally trained, now folks the keyword here is traditionally

so yes I do know Kenjutsu, maybe a mutt style, but still kenjutsu. I've sparred with different styles as well like western fencing, and I've even sparred againse someone who uses a chinese broadsword a few times. ( what an enlightening experience that was,) and I'll tell you what, when I was 16 I actually did dare where the other kid took some aluminum version of the chinese broadsword and slapped my chest, not hard, but **** did it hurt

I thought I said this already

I say basic Kenjutsu because I don't know all the damn kata, I only know the eight basic stances and the eight basic cuts and I never learned the damn names for them or ever really cared, I've done test cutting before I seen the difference how I do it and how average dude off the street does it.

damn it all, just because I didn't get my sword technique from some damn dojo doesn't mean crap, it only means I got through a different way

look if you want me to post a quick vid of me doing some cuts I will, although you gonna have to give me some time on that, reasons why include,

1. don't have a camera for that, but can borrow one

and

2. need to learn how to post such things

3. the only guy I know with a camera like that lives on the other side of the state, however he'll comes to every month or to Des Moines for medical reasons, so yes I can do

and please you guys relax, yes I didn't study in a dojo but I was taught, and I have sparred, not the light contact kind either, though me and my friends didn't use full plate armour or kendo gear, we did use some make shift stuff that was pretty good, alot of it was a combination of paintball armour and padding but damn it still worked well enough.

excuse if I sound angry or irritable here, but I've had to deal with this kind **** from alot of people. with some of these guys the fact that I wasn't trained in a dojo was like blasphemy

I've been whacked with shinai, I've had my head conked with a bokken or other dummy sword ( with a helmet on of course,) so like I said I've sparred before

as for Iaido I didn't ask nor really care about it.

, and

I don't have a rank because I never studied in a dojo

these things are the reasons why, so excuse me for not paying some guy to teach me how to use a sword

I'm sorry for ranting on like this but those things really touched a nerve

well anyways, good health to all

**spathophile** · Posted On: 2/28/2007 4:57pm

a few things I shoud say here, I misarranged some the sentences in the other post, I do that when I get irritable like that, look I'm not trying to make enemies, here but everytime I say I wasn't trained in a dojo or that I don't any specific ryu, people automatically assume I'm completely full of ****, yes I've gotten my knowledge from other people, yes I've been shown how do to do these techniques. just not by a sensei.

and if anyone asks, I really can't say what specific ryu were taught at my the schools my uncle learned, I've asked, he doesn't know. He himself does hapkido, or atleast thats the style he stuck with, I know he's trained in some aikido, he's done savate before and obviously karate somewhere along in there too, what other styles I can't say I don't remember off the top of my head. give me some time, and I'll call him up.