Posted On:2/27/2007 10:11pm
Style: TKD BJJ
Originally Posted by RunningDog
I had a fairly minor knee injury, and a randori session turned it into a fairly major one.
How did that happen?
Posted On:2/28/2007 1:55am
Originally Posted by weechey
How did that happen?
I'd had physio and thought it was better, then I felt a massive shooting pain when I was doing some kind of driving movement with it, nothing spectacular. Couldn't put an ounce of weight on it for a couple of days, and now the physio doesn't know what's wrong and referred me to a knee consultant. And told me not to do contact sports.
Judo: the anti-trapple
Posted On:2/28/2007 6:25am
Originally Posted by roly
injuries come when the throw was 90% there and you try to escape.
most of the time you just get thrown.
sometimes you get away.
very very rarely, **** happens and someone gets a trip to the hospital.
Thats exactly what our coach said. He told us that the only serious injuries he's seen always occurred when someone was screwed by their opponent's kuzushi but decided to try to counter anyway instead of taking the throw. I was also reading that almost all injuries in high level judo happen due to people trying to turn-out in the air or post a hand instead of using ukemi (to avoid ippon).
I've met quite a few judoka who "retired" to BJJ, claiming it was easier on their bodies, but that's just anecdotal and I don't have enough experience to verify if that is true.
Originally Posted by Dinosaur AMP
You just can't go wrong when your getting armbar'd to Flogging Molly while a fire fighter is cursing at you in the background. Good stuff!
Posted On:2/28/2007 7:27am
Style: BJJ and Westernized TKD.
Originally Posted by Lu Tze
Judo can be pretty hard on the knees, I think quite a lot of the injuries sustained in judo are knee related.
This is of course my none medical opinion, and it really depends how bad your knee is but if you're in any doubts then I wouldn't do it.
Don't do it. I dislocated my knee in Judo. I have also seen other people do the same. If you talk to any old Judo guy they will tell you about their injuries. Every school has the old Judo blackbelt that does not Randori anymore due to injuries.
Maybe Japanese are not as easily injured doing Judo due to their compact body types but for us big westerners it is hard on the body.
If you are wanting to work on your takedowns Wresteling is better. Judo requires your opponent be wearing something you can grab on to. Plus, most people will jack your jaw if you walk up and start grabbing on them.
Posted On:2/28/2007 11:31am
Thanks guys, you've given me a lot to think about - I just found out that I got into the graduate program out in Cali, so if I head out there, I am def gonna continue my BJJ, but maybe I'll test the waters a little w Judo and/or Wrestling just to see what it's like.
I'm not old but at my age the aches last just a bit longer than they used to :-D
Posted On:2/28/2007 2:37pm
I'll second the others and say you need to conscientiously use your ukemi. Even though it's tempting to try to twist out of a throw that 90% there, the injuries you can get from landing badly are not worth it. Try especially to avoid landing on your knees; they aren't meant to take that kind of punishment.
Posted On:3/01/2007 12:52am
I wouldn't recommend it (hitting Judo), especially if you've got the opportunity to do (regular and decent) BJJ and, more importantly, really enjoy your BJJ. By and large, Judo training is way harder on the body than BJJ and the knees tend bear the brunt of both your and your partner's training mistakes. I dare say that anybody who has gone through knee ligament tears and reconstructions (as I have) would suggest that the associated risks may just not be worth it.
Posted On:3/01/2007 6:16am
Is Judo really that rough? Reading this thread, I'm almost convinced that it's just a matter of time before I blow one or both of my knees.
It's a contact sport, so by it's very nature its more injurious than freestyle krotty.
Whether you practice Judo or BJJ, accidents will happen and you will get hurt. Your injuries will in all likelihood be non serious, but the possibility of serious injury is always there. You can help prevent serious injury by playing smart:
Practice your breakfalls. A lot.
Fall properly when thrown, don't resist it or try to twist out.
Good technique is next to godliness.
Tap early and often.
Manage your injuries properly. Do what the Doc says. Stay off the mat if necessary.
There's got to be some studies somewhere on comparitive serious injury rates of different sports.
Must try to find it.
Posted On:3/01/2007 6:37am
Originally Posted by weechey
How is it hard on the knees? I've seen a few throws where you drop down on your knees - is that where the injuries tend to come from? Plus, are the injuries the type that you get mostly when you are starting out, with the expectation that as you become more experienced there is less risk of getting your knee caught?
The way these throws really should be taught/done is by going in with a bent knee with your leading foot, and coming around/down into a squat postion where you can both pull on the grip (whatever it is, shoulder for example) on the opponant forcing him down and pushing off your support foot forwards, rocking onto shins/knees.
*However* as this takes quite alot of finesse and patience/practice, alot of people just tend to flop straight to their knees with these forward throws, often landing on the point of the joint and they wonder why their knees are screwed.
I would love to say to the thread starter to jump in head first w/ judo, but chances realistically are that you will do more damage to your knees in the long run.
But if you could avoid these throws (or learn them properly) then you will be okay really, Im just a bit moody because my shins are black and blue at the moment and It's hurting me to train.
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