Thread: Homemade martial arts.
2/26/2007 1:53pm, #1
Homemade martial arts.
Anyone here ever heard of someone who created a martial art from scratch?
I am not talking about mixing, altering, re-creating, changing the name or re-interpreting something. I am talking about doing it all from the start, developing your own training routines, moves, techniques, and everything else in between, with no direct influence from other martial arts and artists.
OF COURSE I do not deny that it is hard to prevent any such influence on brand new martial arts, but I am talking about developing something - maybe even something good, though that´s unlikely - without actually training in anything else. Maybe just movies, videogames, and spontaneous brawling, but no formal training whatsoever under a qualified martial arts instructor.
Well, I never heard of such a thing until last week.
Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to...Tarracá. It was used by a Vale Tudo fighter who called himself "Rei Zulu" in the early 80´s here in Brazil; he kicked (better yet, throwed around) quite a few asses before getting tapped out by Rickson in 1984.
Apparently this art was created by Zulu´s father, and its training methodology consists of running around trees, throwing heavy rocks and truck tires around, and pushing walls for long periods of time. VERY nice throws.
Rei Zulu vs Batarelli (a kickboxer who later became a kickboxing champion)
Rei Zulu vs Rickson
Here are recent pictures of the guy. He still competes in amateur bouts, and his son is just starting to fight professionally ("Zuluzinho", isn´t it cute?).
Did you guys ever hear of something like that? A martial art created from scratch whose representative actually showed significant results, well, ANYWHERE?
I still believe it is rather hard to get anywhere doing such a thing (Rei Zulu never got very far, but he DID have the bad luck to face Rickson...), but hell, it seems there is a precedent!
PS: I put this thread here because, well, it IS about standards in martial arts. And brand new martial arts are, of course, more likely than not to be full of it.That civilisation may not sink,
Its great battle lost,
Quiet the dog, tether the pony
To a distant post;
Our master Caesar is in the tent
Where the maps are spread,
His eyes fixed upon nothing,
A hand under his head.
- W.B. Yeats
2/26/2007 2:06pm, #2
Did his father create the martial art (ie, combat techniques) or just the training methology?"Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
- Terry Goodkind, "Faith of the Fallen"
2/26/2007 2:22pm, #3
I've heard of people CLAIMING to have invented styles from scratch, but never seen one that I thought actually was. This really seems no different. It looked like bad kickboxing with a bit of Greco to me and some dancing thrown in for good measure.
2/26/2007 2:27pm, #4
It looks like a unique form of fighting as well, especially in the hand techniques.
edit: Y'know, it actually looks like it could be inspired by the same thing that inspired "drunken" kung-fu...
2/26/2007 2:39pm, #5
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you mean stupidity?
Iv'e never heard such thing as a MA started from scratch, most people, even if they don't know what they are doing, will tell you that it's inspired from an other style to give themselves credibility.
The only other way would be to actually fight like that zulu guy, but then again who would really want to do that.
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2/26/2007 2:49pm, #6
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Considering Zulu is, well, ginormous, I think he could get away with monkey kung fu.
2/26/2007 2:52pm, #7
He could probably get away with polka at his size."Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
- Terry Goodkind, "Faith of the Fallen"
2/26/2007 5:25pm, #8
Originally Posted by OnceLost
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Seriously, interesting read. I do remember an article that talked about his first fight with Rickson. He said that the reason Rickson won was because Rickson had the help and support of his family behind him and Zulu only had himself with regards to training and preperation for those fights. It would make sense.
Also WCL, I take it from the way you wrote that article that many are not familiar with Zulu in Brazil and you probably figured the rest of us were not. While, as part of the great Gracie Jiu-Jitsu marketing and marketer that is Rorion Gracie, there are probably more people here in the states who know of Zulu then probably in Brazil. Of course all of that information is from their viewpoint so it's interesting to hear some information about the man that wasn't from their point of view. Great stuff. Do you have anymore?
2/26/2007 7:06pm, #9
Interesting read. I don't think he can logically claim it's totally self-created but it seemed faily different from most of what's out there, like old bare knuckle western boxing might have looked in the 1780s maybe - even at the turn of last century many credible western boxers fought with long swinging punches, presumably relying on timing more than covering for defence (?arse sumption on my part). I'm not suggesting that he's copied boxing, but we can see that in the right environment that style of brawling can develop even if it breaks so many 'rules' of what's the right way to move nowadays. Oh ****, I've just given the Wing Chunners and excuse.....
His kicks lacked form but my god I wouldn't want to stand in their path.You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM
just die already.Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM
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2/26/2007 7:59pm, #10Originally Posted by kickcatcher
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