Brazilian Nationals Winner

**Red Elvis** · Posted On: 3/30/2007 7:54pm

Originally Posted by DuckofDeath

Good point. Why should it be left to some anonymous internet yahoo to apprise someone like Rigan Machado that he might have been hoodwinked by a fake?

The irony...

Let me re-phrase this:

Good point. Why should Rigan Machado care if some anonymous internet yahoo apprised him that he might have been "hoodwinked" by a fake?

:eusa_thin

My stand in case I didn't make it crystal above: There is nothing wrong with investigating Robson to be fact or fraud. However, one should approach such matters appropriately which is what the new and approved MABS is seeking to do. Running around like a bunch of monkeys sucking each others collective balls about "how funny our Transformer picture of Robson is or I heard this from so and so and the website spelled Sao as San so it must be bullshit" is to be frank, ridiculous. Let’s hold ourselves to a higher standard, get FACTS and EVIDENCE and out the dude. Point blank.

Originally Posted by UpaLumpa

Agreed. The BJJ community is pretty good at self-policing. If a bjj bullshido artist persists for 2 years it is a sign of incompetence more than anything else.

****... There are more famous BJJ bullshitters that have been around sine the 90's than this guy. Why aren't we all over them? Because, anyone in the know just steers clear of that ****. I know of two, perhaps we now have a third. Maybe he can be added to the list. Let's be sure he belongs on it.

**datdamnmachine** · Posted On: 3/30/2007 11:04pm

Originally Posted by Red Elvis

**RANT**

Great rant and very true. Again, while I do not agree with his methods; at least DoD is persistant. I also believe a lot of fault should lie with those on this forum who are in a position of getting to the truth but choose not to.

Red Elvis

Can you PM me those bullshiters, so I know to stear clear of them.

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 3/31/2007 2:18am

Simco is one. Not sure who the other is.

**datdamnmachine** · Posted On: 3/31/2007 1:13pm

Originally Posted by UpaLumpa

Simco is one. Not sure who the other is.

That's interesting considering this article I read on his website (I can't find it now) where he talks about making sure the instructor you find has valid rank from a valid association. Not a thread derailment mind you. The question then becomes, what happens if said person was able to obtain rank from a valid assoication/teacher even though he/she has not earned or is not at that skill level to deserve that rank?

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 3/31/2007 1:31pm

There are lots of threads (with even more randomness than you'd see here) on juijitsugear's forums about Simco.

The meat of the message is that it seems while his ranks are all "legitimate" he basically got them by manipulating and buying them. Many of his students leave once they hit blue because he rarely rolls and when he does, he's about a purple level.

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 3/31/2007 1:32pm

Basically some fresh off a plane brazillian was brought in to give him his black belt.

**datdamnmachine** · Posted On: 3/31/2007 1:37pm

Originally Posted by UpaLumpa

There are lots of threads (with even more randomness than you'd see here) on juijitsugear's forums about Simco.

The meat of the message is that it seems while his ranks are all "legitimate" he basically got them by manipulating and buying them. Many of his students leave once they hit blue because he rarely rolls and when he does, he's about a purple level.

Yeah, I found the link to the giant "Simco" thread and I have heard on here about students leaving. Not rolling with your students, it seems this is becoming somewhat of a semi-universal sign of something fishy going on. Actually, this has made me think of a few questions:

Hey Robson's Boy,

Does Robson roll with you and his other students?

What is the highest ranking belt in that class and did Robson award it?

How would said individual rank Robson's skills?

When he was ranked 2nd and then 3rd degree black belt, do you know if any of the higher belts awarding the rank and/or present as the ranking roll with Robson? How did he do against them?

*Edit*

Originally Posted by UpaLumpa

Basically some fresh off a plane brazillian was brought in to give him his black belt.

Oh yeah, I really remember that one, had the message boards on fire!

**datdamnmachine** · Posted On: 3/31/2007 3:18pm

Originally Posted by UpaLumpa

Simco is one. Not sure who the other is.

Just a side note for you, I found this on the Simco super thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7XnTYmHf_4

I guess this is how to truely verify someone's skill level. I wonder if this was done with Robson when he was promoted?