Brazilian Nationals Winner

**DuckofDeath** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 2:16am

Originally Posted by duckII

By the way, DoD, just out of curiosity...WHAT'S ON THE DAMN TAPE?

Prof: Hello.

Duck: Hello, I'm calling for Professor Pereira, please.

Prof: Yes, speaking.

Duck: Hello, this is ********* ********. I just saw your web site.

It said on there that you won the Brazilian Nationals in Rio de

Janeiro.

Prof: Yeah.

Duck: Yeah, what year was that?

Prof: Uh... [long pause]

Duck: Come on, you shouldn't have to think about what year that was.

Prof: Who is this? Who is this?

Duck: ********* ********. I just said my name. Get with the

program here.... [long pause] Well, while you're thinking about

that, it also said you were the Sao Paulo State Champion. What

year did you win that?

Prof: What's that?

Duck: It says...

Prof: [unintelligible]

Duck: What's that?

Prof: Who are you?

Duck: This is ********* ********. I'm calling about your web site.

You said on your web site...

Prof: What's your problem?

Duck: Well, I'm just asking about your web site. You said on your web

site that you won the Brazilian Nationals in Rio de Janeiro. I just

want to know what year that was.

Prof: The records is with Grandmaster Mansor and CBJJ.

Duck: What's that?

Prof: Why don't you call them?

Duck: I'm asking about the year you won the Brazilian Nationals.

Prof: I don't remember. [something about records being kept]

Duck: You don't remember...

Prof: If you're really interested, why don't you call them?

Duck: You ought to be able to tell me what year you won the Brazilian

Nationals in Rio de Janeiro. And you also ought to be able to tell

me...

Prof: Sir, [unintelligible]. Why don't you call them and get all the

information.

Duck: And you know...

Prof: You're wasting time because I think I know who you are...

Duck: Well, I told you who I am. I'm ********* ********. Did you

get the tape I sent you of my conversation with Mansor?

Prof: [hangs up]

**Don Gwinn** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 5:27am

*Ahem.*

Audio or it didn't happen.

:)

**duckII** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 5:51am

DoD,

Well, actually, I was going to say....My honour I'll bequeath unto the knife that wounds my body so dishonoured:Tis honour to deprive dishonour'd life, the one will live the other being dead;So of shame's ashes shall my fame be bred; For in my death I murder shameful scorn, my shame so dead my honour is new born....But, since I'm not a "drama whore" I just went with the whole stool and noose thingy.

Any hoo...good work on the phone call, don't know why no one did it sooner. How can I get a copy of that tape...it sounds hysterical! Just out of curiosity, did you identify yourself as DoD, use your real name or make something up?

**cyrijl** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 8:17am

yeah...dod didn't have a scanner and no tape of the conversation. sorry, but i am having my doubts.

**weechey** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 9:26am

My own two cents on that phone conversation - (I'm giving DoD benefit of the doubt in that it is authentic)...

While I found the confrontational nature of the conversation great entertainment value, I wonder if more information might have been gleaned with a more roundabout approach.

In other words, play up to his ego a bit, make it sound like you are really interested in joining his class, and then in asking about his credentials, say stuff like "Wow! you're a black belt? I heard those things are really hard to get! Where did you get yours? Brazil? Dude! That's like the homeland of BJJ, ain't it? Did you train w/ the Gracies? Cool! Where did you get your BB from? Did you compete? yada yada yada..."

The idea here is to get him to volunteer facts that can be checked against known sources...basically trip him up in his own lies (if in fact he is lying)

**cyrijl** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 9:33am

I still don't understand why DOD is that upset.

**duckII** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 10:07am

Great plan Weechey, I agree 100%. Problem is now that you've put that card out there, it will probably be harder to pull off.

**Tenebrous** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 10:46am

Originally Posted by weechey

My own two cents on that phone conversation - (I'm giving DoD benefit of the doubt in that it is authentic)...

While I found the confrontational nature of the conversation great entertainment value, I wonder if more information might have been gleaned with a more roundabout approach.

In other words, play up to his ego a bit, make it sound like you are really interested in joining his class, and then in asking about his credentials, say stuff like "Wow! you're a black belt? I heard those things are really hard to get! Where did you get yours? Brazil? Dude! That's like the homeland of BJJ, ain't it? Did you train w/ the Gracies? Cool! Where did you get your BB from? Did you compete? yada yada yada..."

The idea here is to get him to volunteer facts that can be checked against known sources...basically trip him up in his own lies (if in fact he is lying)

Trying to massage information out of the guy could produce results. It could also be disingenuous. While DoD's confrontational tone may not be winning him friends, at least it's honest. Lying to a guy to prove he's a liar is... dunno, less than that. I can't fault him for his tone even if taking a cooler angle on it might produce more information.

**DuckofDeath** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 11:32am

Originally Posted by Don Gwinn

Audio or it didn't happen.

You can't make **** like that up...

**DuckofDeath** · Posted On: 3/23/2007 12:19pm

Originally Posted by duckII

I just went with the whole stool and noose thingy.

You should have undone the noose before you stepped off the stool...

...good work on the phone call, don't know why no one did it sooner.

I would have done it sooner, but I needed to get me a new recorder and figure out a way to make sure the calls weren't traced back to my number. (Word was that certain parties were trying to trace my calls.)

How can I get a copy of that tape...it sounds hysterical!

I'm going to make myself some duplicate cassettes. Just PM me a mailing address of some kind, and I'll send you one. If you can figure out how to post the audio on the thread, go ahead and do it. Feel free to make copies, disseminate them, and post them on forums as you will.

AND!!! Absolutely free of charge, you'll also receive a copy of the Grandmaster-Mansor-doesn't-know-Mauricio-Sakata cassette!!! If you can post the audio on the thread, go for it or lend it to someone who can.

Just out of curiosity, did you identify yourself as DoD, use your real name or make something up?

I use a nom de guerre that I've had a long time; it's okay to leave it in the audio postings.