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  1. FickleFingerOfFate is offline
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    This video is labeled pinan 1, but we learn it as pinan 2. I think the videos for 1 and 2 were mislabeled, or TKD/TSD reverses them. The demonstrator is Shorin Ryu.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O8Wayhs4Ck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobious12
    OK ok, then what is the applications of the first movements of Pinan 2.. and the shuto uke?
    Stop thinking application.

    Application, this equals this move, is still dead.

    Truthfully, I could tell you the move, and it'd just confuse the hell out of you more. Someone buy me a video camera.

    Also, note that is not Pinan 2, but Pinan 1. Funakoshi fucked everything up.
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    Ok fine, Heres the other one.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyTAWgL_nnI


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    Heres a quick clip I found of shuto uke

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vimF6Cj8f8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobious12
    OK ok, then what is the applications of the first movements of Pinan 2.. and the shuto uke?
    I dont know any thing about karate specifically, but if the shuto uke is a knife /spear/ snake hand.

    It can be many thing, and will vary according to the context.

    But more specifically, it could go from sliding in an underhook to sliding your arms in for a choke to something to keep the distance away.

    Its just a hand formation, and theres tons of applicable techniques that use that hand formation intuitively. Like derauslander said, you also need to look at judo and jujitsu to place a teh correct application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYoung
    I'm not suggesting it works, but the Bunkai isn't reading something into it retrospectively.
    Ah, but in the 'quest' I'm calling bullshit on it is exactly that. That is how come the GKR instructor who wrote the originally posted quote came up witheir bunkai. Karateka(et al) are searching for some sort of hidden moves in the kata and much bullshidoism is resulting. :bully:


    And I'll call it bunkai if I want, I'll leave the purist interlectual debate on the meaning of that word to people who care, like Der_zen_Auslander cos I'm free of my karate baggage and I'll share a secret with you all still on the light-pygama side, nobody cares if you call kihon bunkai or add 's' onto kata (katas :p).

    Bunkai sucks and trying to redefine it in the Western mind to mean all of karate just makes all of karate suck. :biblethum
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    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    The direction of this thread has turned from an examination of the specifics presented by the OP into a discussion of the specifics of what is Bunkai. Although there seems to be overlap, since the OP's example was Go Kan Ryu, I'm moving this thread to the JMA forum.
    Last edited by Tom Kagan; 2/28/2007 10:08pm at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickcatcher
    Ah, but in the 'quest' I'm calling bullshit on it is exactly that. That is how come the GKR instructor who wrote the originally posted quote came up witheir bunkai. Karateka(et al) are searching for some sort of hidden moves in the kata and much bullshidoism is resulting. :bully:


    And I'll call it bunkai if I want, I'll leave the purist interlectual debate on the meaning of that word to people who care, like Der_zen_Auslander cos I'm free of my karate baggage and I'll share a secret with you all still on the light-pygama side, nobody cares if you call kihon bunkai or add 's' onto kata (katas :p).

    Bunkai sucks and trying to redefine it in the Western mind to mean all of karate just makes all of karate suck. :biblethum
    Er. Right.

    The quest to find hidden techniques is a little Quixotic - I agree.

    But Bunkai isn't that. It's just application. It might be crap, it might be methodologically unsound, but there's no mystery or fantastical discovery to it. The techniques - e.g. ear smash - are pretty straightforward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    The direction of this thread has turned from an examination of the specifics presented by the OP into a discussion of the specifics of what is Bunkai. Although there seems to be overlap, since the OP's example was Go Kan Ryu, I'm moving this thread to the JMA forum.


    Well, I'm definitely out of my experience zone in the JMA section.

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    Krotty is Krotty. :smile:

    If anything, feel freer to post in this sub-forum than in MABS. From my perspective, one of the nicer things about the way the style sub-forums are shaping up is the alternate perspectives. Whatever overlaps are found such as what you've already been posting is right up front and relevant.
    Last edited by Tom Kagan; 2/28/2007 10:28pm at .
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