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    Quote Originally Posted by SifuJason
    1) I wasn't attacking his grammer, I was simply trying to understand his point, because of the fact that it is the internet and sometimes thoughts get confused.

    2) Al Dacascos did indeed test most of it out in the streets. He grew up training in the Palama Settlement in Hawaii. He has also worked as a bodyguard, bouncer, etc. He has really tested most of this stuff. But don't take my word for it--ask some other people who know him/train with him. It is true he made his name in point fighting tournaments, but that was more of a PR project than anything else. WHKD has very little to do with point sparring, as far as our curriculum goes.
    I can only go on what I saw in the 70's 80's in California. If he has changed the system, great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by new2bjj
    I can only go on what I saw in the 70's 80's in California. If he has changed the system, great.
    It's not so much that the system has changed as it is you only saw a very small part of the art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SifuJason
    It's not so much that the system has changed as it is you only saw a very small part of the art.
    Christ almighty kid, I trained with their black belts several times a week. They did grab arts and Siu Lum sets, and I'm a classmate of one of the black belts in who is also a 6th degree Black Belt in my old school of TKD. No one did anything utterly outstanding, and while they were good- and had practised for 4 or 5 years longer than I, at the time, the were not that god damned good. Seriously, post some videos of you flying or your SIFU defying gravity while he fights ten trained atheletes or cool it. Your smugness is grating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by new2bjj
    Christ almighty kid, I trained with their black belts several times a week. They did grab arts and Siu Lum sets, and I'm a classmate of one of the black belts in who is also a 6th degree Black Belt in my old school of TKD. No one did anything utterly outstanding, and while they were good- and had practised for 4 or 5 years longer than I, at the time, the were not that god damned good. Seriously, post some videos of you flying or your SIFU defying gravity while he fights ten trained atheletes or cool it. Your smugness is grating.
    I'm not being smug. You first said you witnessed Al Dacscos at tournaments. I replied that you can't judge the art based on that. Now you are claiming that you trained with WHKD black belts. Who did you train with, so I can valininjaninjaninjaninja your claim as knowledgable about WHKD as an art?

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    Doug Jones, Zach Smith and Robert Young. Zach was chosen to do an exhibition match with Bill Wallace, so he was no slouch at WHKD. Now, this was in 1981, so, you weren't born yet. Bill Wallace was the reigning middleweight full contact champion at the time. It was, however, only an exhibition match, so Wallace wasn't trying to knock him out or anything. I would consider sparring with them, watching them do forms and techniques, every week, for a year or so, enough time to judge an art. Doug is the only one who still trains to this day, and he is very good, but he would not make the kind of claims we've seen you post- 10 to one training, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by new2bjj
    Doug Jones, Zach Smith and Robert Young. Zach was chosen to do an exhibition match with Bill Wallace, so he was no slouch at WHKD. Now, this was in 1981, so, you weren't born yet. Bill Wallace was the reigning middleweight full contact champion at the time. It was, however, only an exhibition match, so Wallace wasn't trying to knock him out or anything. I would consider sparring with them, watching them do forms and techniques, every week, for a year or so, enough time to judge an art. Doug is the only one who still trains to this day, and he is very good, but he would not make the kind of claims we've seen you post- 10 to one training, etc.
    Doug Jones is indeed a good guy, and you are right that he still trains. I don't know of Zack or Robert--they must be 2nd generation black belts, as only have the master list for the 1st generation WHKD black belts.

    As for my claim, I said we do multiman drills to train for the situation of multi-man, and that we do it as realistically as possible--that is it. I know Sifu Doug has done the drills, as it is part of our curriculum. I can't say anymore than that about him, as I am not him.

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    SifuJason: I received your email and sent a reply. I think that I could learn something from your style that I could at the very least adapt to my own training.

    Per your website: you have some pretty impressive credentials, and you taught/are teaching at a college. That is respectable.

    I don't put a lot of emphasis on belts or styles, but at least it isn't anything too Ninja.

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