8/13/2008 4:32am, #1
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Defense Soap: How effective is it, really?
There's a soap marketed at grapplers that claims it can prevent staph and ringworm:
I kind of doubt there is any, but has anyone seen any scientific studies done with this stuff? There's a study on the company site that proves it's effective against E. coli, but that's about it.
Failing that, any anecdotal evidence about its efficacy outside of the Defense Soap web site?
8/13/2008 4:56am, #2
8/13/2008 9:27am, #3
My sister is in med school. She told me to used Head and Shoulders dandruff shampoo as a body wash after rolling because it kills ringworm. I usually wash up with that real quick then use regular old soap. If you buy the generic version its only like $1.50 a bottle and it lasts a long damn time. As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I watched a patch of mild ringworm I had on my hip for a long time go away in a couple of washes.
8/13/2008 11:50am, #4Originally Posted by adouglasmhor
My understanding is that soap is probably antibacterial "enough", in that it rips apart the lipid layer that makes up bacterial cell walls.
Edit: And yeah, Head and Shoulders for ringworm (fungi) makes sense, I suppose.
8/13/2008 12:11pm, #5
I was in a stretch where I was getting this **** all of the time.
It really sucked and took a while to go away.
My dermatologist's exact words were "this is the most perfect example of tinea I've ever seen."
So he recommended an anti-fungal shampoo after I trained because, apparently, in addition to living in the skin Ringworm can "colonize" in the body and flare up unless you're really diligent about killing it.
I had some good luck with using Nizorel anti-dandruff shampoo. But its more expensive than head and shoulders.Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible, without surrender,
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even to the dull and ignorant;
they too have their story.
-excerpt of the poem called "Desiderata," by Max Ehrman, 1927.
8/13/2008 12:19pm, #6
In terms of what's actually in this soap:
He instead turned his attention to what are known as natural remedies, finally settling on a combination of tea tree and eucalyptus oils.
Still, five bucks a bar is pretty damn steep, particularly if there are cheaper options available.
8/15/2008 10:51am, #7
Their website claims that it is clinically proven to be effective against MRSA. I would like to find some ingredient lists for their stuff. It sounds pretty impressive if they are not full of ****.
8/15/2008 11:17am, #8Originally Posted by adouglasmhor
Furthermore, the term anti-bacterial means that it only inhibits bacterial growth. Bactericidal is the term used to denote that a product actually kills the bacteria. The same goes for fungicidal and germicidal.
Links on triclosan:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170188,00.htmlShut the hell up and train.
8/15/2008 11:25am, #9Originally Posted by TheRuss
You know what sucks:
no matter what you do, it seems like you are fucked.
use this to cure that and the other thing happens.
Anyhow, let us know how your rack develops and pix if it develops nicely.
Thus far, WhiteShark's suggestion of the Head and Shoulders, which I recall him making several months ago, is the most sound I have read.
Unless you wish to bathe in vineager, bleach and rubbing alcohol.
8/15/2008 11:30am, #10Originally Posted by jnp
However, they're also adding ingredients (e.g. tea tree oil) to kill fungi (e.g. ringworm), so it'd behoove us to look at soap's effects on fungi as well.
Originally Posted by jnp
Originally Posted by jnp
In a review of recent studies, researchers at the University of Michigan School of Public Health have found that the ingredient commonly used in these products, triclosan, provides no additional benefits beyond those of plain soap; it also may contribute to the rise of many different drug-resistant bacteria, including a relative of tuberculosis.While the researchers also reported that they found no evidence indicating triclosan-containing antibacterial products work better than soap and water, the key point here is that there’s no evidence that triclosan is contributing to the development of “supergerms” that would be resistant to antibiotics.