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  1. Tom Kagan is offline
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    Posted On:
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    I bit of a tangent, but it's related to this question ...

    Albeit tongue-in-cheek, my sister said this when she was answering an offhand question my wife had about my wife carrying around her roll of monstrous kitchen knives:


    "If you've already reached the point where the cops are rifling through your bag, you've got bigger problems brewing than anything they might find could cause." -- Jacqueline Kagan, A.D.A., Brooklyn, NY, Crimes Against Children Division.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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  2. JohnnyCache is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by kobudo
    I would recognize it as such, but only because prior to beginning my public safety career, I was a college student with an interest in such things.

    I think other interesting questions would be 1. How effective is a flint tool compared to its steel counterpart, and 2. How many "undesirables" would be inclined to make such a tool (or have the resources to learn or even know where to find the resources to learn how to) for the purpose of committing a crime?

    1. Sharper then most knife steel and strong enough for at least one use. Obsidian or flint **** can be VERY sharp - at least as useful as the **** people make in prison.

    2. It's pretty hard to do if you don't know how, but I suppose if the idea hit you, you could figure it out with the internet and a weekend or three.
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  3. Zendetta is offline

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    Posted On:
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    I assume at least some of you troglodytes have read Snowcrash.

    THe (2nd) Baddest Mutherfucker in the World carried knives made of glass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kobudo
    I would recognize it as such, but only because prior to beginning my public safety career, I was a college student with an interest in such things.

    I think other interesting questions would be 1. How effective is a flint tool compared to its steel counterpart, and 2. How many "undesirables" would be inclined to make such a tool (or have the resources to learn or even know where to find the resources to learn how to) for the purpose of committing a crime?

    I apologize for getting away from the OP's question, but:

    1. Obsidian is used in cardiac surgery, as well-crafted obsidian blades have a cutting edge up to five times sharper than high-quality steel surgical scalpels, with the edge of the blade reaching veritable molecular thinness. It produces a cleaner cut and less tissue trauma, which translates to faster healing and less scar tissue from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsidian

    Just like the knives and harpoons in Snow Crash, sharp as a molecule.

    2. I had read a short piece on flintknapping in issue 01 of Make magazine and wanted to check it out. It took me a quick Google to find "From Beer Bottle to Arrowhead" http://www.geocities.com/knappersanonymous/bottle.html I used a bit of copper pipe left over from a faucet repair and a piece of glass from an old, broken window. Within an hour, or two at most, I had a scary sharp blade type item. It was UGLY, but crudely arrow shaped.
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    very true about the "type" of person carrying it and thier appearance.

    funny photos, very true point. I don't "look like a criminal" or someone a police officer would "profile" or stop. truth is they probably wouldn't even give me a second glance unless I was doing something I visibly shouldn't.

    I would imagine a resourcefull enough criminal looking to harm/kill someone (or one that somehow just read this topic) would figure this out and get it through a metal detector- however as mentioned with "glass" there are easier items to find to get it through.

    Truth is I just thought of this because I have an interest in and have studied (in college) hominids and continue to read new info on discoveries, digs and finds.
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    2/22/2007 7:51am


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    I've been thinking about this question a bit, and really, how would anyone know you had it (in normal settings) unless you're carrying it in the open? I wouldn't recommend taking it through airport security, but I guess you'd be ok walking into a commercial center like a mall or something.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kein Haar
    The point of this inquiry is kind of slippery, if you ask me.
    Yep,,,
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    To answer your question, Bluto - it depends on a number of issues. In Florida, a person without a concealed weapons permit can carry a "common pocketknife" because it is not considered a "weapon." The circumstance of the contact also matters, as does his explanation, the location of the knife (carrying case, pocket, or sock, for example). My initial reaction, based on your example, is to warn the gent that his stone knife could potentially be considered a weapon and he should carry it as such. If he does his pressure flaking at the park, for instance, put it in a carrying case while in transit.

    Of course, I might have a little more exposure that some LEOs because my wife is an archaeologist.
    "Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
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    Wow!

    A LEO with an archaeologist for a wife. OnceLost wins, as if this thread and question was custom made for him.
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    Former LEO, actually, but thank you, sir.
    "Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
    - Terry Goodkind, "Faith of the Fallen"
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