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  1. Bluto Blutarsky is offline

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    A question to Law Enforcement officers about knife carrying.

    Ok, not the usual knife.

    What if you pulled over or randomly found on a person- who was not acting aggressive or violent towards you or anyone else, or didn't seem to be engaged in criminal behavior (but it was a legit terry stop) and you found a flint knife on them?

    Basically this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flintstone_knife.jpg

    would you believe, as it is a "stone" knife- that the person had it simply because they were a fan of creating stone tools and into anthropology and liked to "pressure flake" like many people whittle wood.

    Or would you be more likely to accept a utility knife?

    I'm curious because such a knife can avoid detection by metal detectors, however I'm not talking that you find it on someone in a place where there aren't supposed to be any weapons (club, airport, etc.).

    I'm just curious what a reaction would be from a law enforcement officer upon seeing it provided the person did actually seem to have a bit of knowledge about the history of pressure flaking and the science and periods of hominids that used it?

    EDIT:
    more on pressure flaking (flecking)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_flaking

    http://knapper_dan.tripod.com/articl...eningstudy.htm

    http://www.uwlax.edu/mvac/Research/technologies.htm
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  2. Nid is offline

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    Posted On:
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    The point of this inquiry is kind of slippery, if you ask me.
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    Posted On:
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    Let's consider a perhaps troubling idea:

    How many trained law enforcement/security personnel would even recognize this as a potential weapon when they were staring straight at it?


    Good personnel recognize keys, shoe laces, etc can be halfway decent potential weapons. But this? Phft, it's just a pet rock.


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    Posted On:
    2/20/2007 9:17pm


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    Perhaps you could work the art angle?

    Here are some examples of flintknapping taken to a high artistic level: http://www.errettcallahan.com/knives.htm

    How the item was carried may also have a huge impact on a LEO. In a display case like a relic or piece of art could go unnoticed, but in an ankle sheath or ninja costume... not so much.
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    What would you do if you were a parole officer and you found one of your subjects on the street and you decided to do a quick search and you found that in his pocket? Would you consider it carrying a concealed weapon or having a weapon under disability? Let's say your parolee is out on a violent offense.
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    Posted On:
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    Mr_Mantis has teh interesting. If you find it on someone that looks like a geeky college professor, furry or unwashed hippy art student, it is one thing. If you find it on someone that's on parole, that's quite another situation. To illustrate this serious topic with some comedy...

    It is one thing to find that flint point on him....



    ... or him...




    It is quite another if you find that **** on him...











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    Theoretically you'd just carry an obsidian core and a soft hammer to make flakes on the spot, so you'd never actually be carrying a blade. Late Paleolithic FTW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    How many trained law enforcement/security personnel would even recognize this as a potential weapon when they were staring straight at it?
    I would recognize it as such, but only because prior to beginning my public safety career, I was a college student with an interest in such things.

    I think other interesting questions would be 1. How effective is a flint tool compared to its steel counterpart, and 2. How many "undesirables" would be inclined to make such a tool (or have the resources to learn or even know where to find the resources to learn how to) for the purpose of committing a crime?
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    Posted On:
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    I didn't know you were a trekkie El Macho.:laughing1 Either way, I think his views were probably right on. It would all depend on the person carrying it.


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    Posted On:
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    I'm a man of infinite dimensions :new_llyin
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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