This reminded me that I don't think the BJJ dude was doing it to be mean. I think we was just trying to transition directly from the throw to the pin. Something like this:
Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe
It was only a one semester Judo class but that was the first pin he (the teacher) taught us and if you were to stand up up, that is roughly the hold he had on me for the thow. Come to think of it, maybe it wasn't his shoulder in my ribs. Anyways, something along the lines of that pic. Throw + pin.
Wow, ok, I guess I wont play the Devil's Advocate anymore...
Was just stirring conversation...
I will no longer make a post unless it is what I believe.
Good Evening Ladies and Germs...
Just pretend we said it to someone who actually DOES have that opinion and dry your eyes.
Or what, I will have to eat a James Bond Hip Throw Judo Chop?
Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
Re-reading, yeah, gonna have to change the ole stance...
In my yonger days, I worked as a bouncer. Yes, I had my "I am a tough guy" phase myself.
Watchin the folks try all this in a bar/club was some of the funniest **** you would ever see.
Fucking hip tosses, are you guys insane?
What was the other gem, Oh, : Throw them to the ground and soccer kick em.
No, I am gonna stand by my original statements started as converstaion and say that it is no better then point fighters, opinions from people who have never been in an altercation ever. I am not insulting the fact if you have never been in a fight outside of school yard rules. But sure as hell dont try to sell it as "I am from the streets" **** either...
Fucking hip throws...
OH MAN YOU WORKED AS A BOUNCER HOW MANY PEOPLE DID YOU HEADBUTT IN ONE SHIFT?
No, see I am the ONLY person on this board that has actually HAD his ass kicked. More than once. Lost 2 teeth, scar below my right eye, 2 scars on my head from bottles, both sides of my collarbone broke, 2 fingers broken, 2 ribs broken, a 6 inch scar on the left side of my (now expanding) gut from a knife, 3 inch scar behind my left ear where it was almost ripped off, nose broken a handful of times, right forearm fractured.
Any of this bouncin? 1 bottle, 1 nose.
See, unlike ANYONE else it seems, I have had my ass kicked. Cause i was a pretty stupid kid in my "tough guy" phase.
And in every time I have had my ass kicked, guess what I was most worried about?
Fucking Hip Throws. Yep, that is right, hip throws.
It is bullshit talk from people that think ring time is real **** and proof that what they have "works". And not a SINGLE one has EVERY been in place where their ass has been kicked.
And the worst thing is you hear this **** like hip throws and throw em down and kick em and all it does show is that they have never been in that type of situation.
Again, I am not some tough guy. I had my time where I thought I was. I grew out of it. Everyone else on this board will too.
You wanna go test your cute hip throws? Go test em. Go someplace where you can be hated, bring a few hip tossin buddies. Then start the fight. And when you get your ass kicked, come back and tell me ALLLLL about the way you throw them to the ground and kick them.
You wanna talk about how awesome the hip tosses are in the realm of the mat? Great, I wont argue at all.
But dont pretend for one second on this board or anywhere else that it goes pasted that talking about throwing someone to the ground and kicking them soccer style. You dont sound knowledgeable, you sound like a wanna be tough guy who doesnt have 1 clue.
You're correct. You don't know what your talking about.
Manny people here have been in altercations. I can give anictdotes, I have seen a hip toss in a bar that ended the fight. I have - believe it or not pulled guard to keep from seriously getting my ass kicked (still got my ass kicked but avoided real damage because of it)
Anecdotes however are gay they neither prove nor disprove anything. Everyone brings them up. Aikido works because.,... Aikido doesn't work because.... WC works because.... WC doesn't work because.... so on and so forth.
So on and so forth.
The point was that grapplers / throwers have other options than following someone to the ground and going for a choke.
And comparing a judoka to a point fighter is gay and fallaceous. A karate point fighter assumes in self defense situation that they can punch someone in the face hard, which if all they do is Karate point fighting, is something they never do.
A Judoka assumes in a self defense situation that he or she can throw someone hard, (hip toss O Soto or whatever) and since that's what they practice and do against 100% resistant opponents their ratio of success in a bar or SD situation is a much, much higher.
Now would they stomp someone after throwing them? Depends on the person. But it's not hard to do after you've thrown the person and the point is the option is there.
Yes fucking hip throws. I've been at the receiving end of them, and I've put them into use... all in real life... and I come from a place where people get gutted on a regular basis. The fact that people try them in altercations does not mean they know what the **** they are doing anyways. It is funny as **** and as much as the folks who bring their hands up trying to look like boxers just to throw wild, circular punches.
Originally Posted by dwhomp
So please spare us your sanctimonius "bah". We explained to you in detail why your analogy sucked. You wanna take it personal, then whatever dude. Keep believing what you want. :bduh:
-- EDIT --
As Goju mentioned, most everyone here have been in physical altercations. I have myself, but anectodes are ghay and prove nothing.
But for you to believe you have been the only person who's had a real fight is stupid. In fact, I'll take that as evidence that you are just making up ****.
And as for your "I was a bouncer, blah, blah", news flash for you Mr. Former Bouncer. We have former and active bouncers, law officers and members of the military in this website as well, with real life experience, some of it documented beyond annecdotes typed over the internet.
Believe what you want, and keep typing.
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Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe
He said "fallaceous". :la:
Get your mind out of the gutter.:biblethum
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