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  1. Gabetuno is offline
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    Woah. Alex Van Halen got huge.

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    I'm not trying to be right, I'm just saying what I think. Disagree if you like, it's fine with me.

    I don't get your point though. Are you saying exception should be made for those who are gonna walk away from the idea that you start with contact?
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    He screams like a little girl as the pain ripples through his arm, shoots up into his brain, and now your dick is hard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabetuno
    I'm not trying to be right, I'm just saying what I think. Disagree if you like, it's fine with me.
    Right but, then you say something like this:

    I don't get your point though. Are you saying exception should be made for those who are gonna walk away from the idea that you start with contact?
    Who said exceptions? If you are an instructor you know, some people don't learn as well or as fast as others. Some people have to be warmed to the idea of contact. Like Dagon said, he learned bad habits by getting hit to soon.

    So saying someone is better served by day one sparring isn't true. It also doesn't mean everyone should be in the ASAP camp. It isn't an absolute. Now, you may not mean it but, everything you type is an absolute right now.

    People are tied up in their faces, even men. You've been here long enough to hear people whine about "OMG what about work." This isn't a small group of people.

    Please show me where I said make an exception.
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    I didn't say you said that. I was asking if that's what you meant. It wasn't a rhetorical question. Again, I feel like we are heading in the same direction but on different tracks so I'll just drop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabetuno
    Ok well I guess I feel like I'm not splitting hairs because ASAP means exactly that. As soon as possible. I feel the time may change, but the point is, as soon as you personally can. Not when you feel confident, or comfortable, or whatever.

    Edit: What I mean is, everyone should be in the ASAP camp. Regardless.
    Here's some serious hair splitting:

    "As soon as possible" is not the same as "as soon as practical", "as soon as safe", or "as soon as prudent". It can be possible for people to spar almost immediately, but I'd contend that it's not necessarily practical, safe or prudent to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H TO THE IZZO
    Here's some serious hair splitting:

    "As soon as possible" is not the same as "as soon as practical", "as soon as safe", or "as soon as prudent". It can be possible for people to spar almost immediately, but I'd contend that it's not necessarily practical, safe or prudent to do so.
    Thank you. Much better. ^^This is my point. You disagreed with DA's assertion but, you were actually agreeing.

    You ended up in a semantics battle.

    You had a contact background regardless of whether it is striking or grappling.
    You hopped into MMA sparring day one.

    I liked contact because, I wanted to learn how to fight. I jumped right in.


    This is not for everyone as evidenced by Dagon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H TO THE IZZO
    Here's some serious hair splitting:

    "As soon as possible" is not the same as "as soon as practical", "as soon as safe", or "as soon as prudent". It can be possible for people to spar almost immediately, but I'd contend that it's not necessarily practical, safe or prudent to do so.
    Right. "As soon as useful for the student" is another good way to look at it.
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    This has been good. A crappy thread has turned into something interesting. Maybe this last part should be pulled into a separate thread to attract more interest?
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    Actually, there is a very long thread on this subject. I've debated moving it to that one. The only real difference, the discussion was Judo based instead of WC.
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