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  1. octaviousbp is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by illuminati
    I'd prefer to be in better shape when I begin the program, thats all.
    I echo getting into the MT program as soon as possible. Trying to "get into better shape" is an extremely subjective concept, that prevents a lot of people from ever getting into the gym. I would recommend starting as soon as you can, and believe me when I say the fitness will take care of itself.
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    Regarding whether or not it's worth getting "in shape" before beginning - I think you should do it. The thing to remember, however, is that you don't need much conditioning before you begin. Limit yourself, at the absolute most, to one month of preparation before beginning martial arts classes.

    Don't mentally build up MT classes as some amazing challenge; just do it and you'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octaviousbp
    I echo getting into the MT program as soon as possible. Trying to "get into better shape" is an extremely subjective concept, that prevents a lot of people from ever getting into the gym. I would recommend starting as soon as you can, and believe me when I say the fitness will take care of itself.
    Yeah, I heard the training was pretty intense which is why I wanted to do cardio training prior to it. Thanks for the advice :biggrin:
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    Quote Originally Posted by illuminati
    I'd prefer to be in better shape when I begin the program, thats all.
    Personally I think this is a good idea, I trained some basic conditioning before starting Muay Thai, and now I'm glad I did (else I'd have been killed).

    Regarding damage: Personally I think thaiboxing conditioning and training is some of the toughest you can get, but this also means it's what toptunes your body the most, sure your body may **** over at some times (it has for me), but I doubt you should expect major stuff like broken limbs.
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    I have mixed feelings regarding "getting in shape" before going to an MA class. If you are extremelly overweight or have had a condition that has limited your cardio in the past (asthma, allergies), then MAYBE it's a good idea.

    On the other hand, going to the gym before joining a martial art class (MT in your case), that may become a mental barrier that will stop your from starting martial arts. You can get caught up in a "I'm not ready mentality" for months on end, never quite making the jump into martial arts.

    I'm not sure about your physical conditioning. Assuming you have bad cardio, if you are skinny/slim, then just jump into the MT classes. If you are/feel overweight, then spend some time doing cardio before going there. Only you know the answer.

    You can actually just go and check it out and asses your personal situation. Just because you are doing MT (or any other martial arts) that doesn't mean you cannot do anything else.

    If you find the classes too challenging, then just take a break (a few weeks) to work your cardio, and then come back, or just cut your classes in half (again using your spare time to work on your cardio or simply to rest as your body gets accostumed).

    A good instructor is not going to work you out beyond your abilities. He will push you TO YOUR LIMITS, but he will also be listening to your performance. It's not going to be a death march or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Macho
    I have mixed feelings regarding "getting in shape" before going to an MA class. If you are extremelly overweight or have had a condition that has limited your cardio in the past (asthma, allergies), then MAYBE it's a good idea.

    On the other hand, going to the gym before joining a martial art class (MT in your case), that may become a mental barrier that will stop your from starting martial arts. You can get caught up in a "I'm not ready mentality" for months on end, never quite making the jump into martial arts.

    I'm not sure about your physical conditioning. Assuming you have bad cardio, if you are skinny/slim, then just jump into the MT classes. If you are/feel overweight, then spend some time doing cardio before going there. Only you know the answer.

    You can actually just go and check it out and asses your personal situation. Just because you are doing MT (or any other martial arts) that doesn't mean you cannot do anything else.

    If you find the classes too challenging, then just take a break (a few weeks) to work your cardio, and then come back, or just cut your classes in half (again using your spare time to work on your cardio or simply to rest as your body gets accostumed).

    A good instructor is not going to work you out beyond your abilities. He will push you TO YOUR LIMITS, but he will also be listening to your performance. It's not going to be a death march or something.
    Yeah, I have to drop about 15 lbs or so hence I don't feel like I will be able to keep up. That is why I felt that I needed the few months to get my cardio in check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illuminati
    Yeah, I have to drop about 15 lbs or so hence I don't feel like I will be able to keep up. That is why I felt that I needed the few months to get my cardio in check.
    Your endurance for muay thai and bjj will suck pretty much no matter what. If your goal is to not look like an idiot when you step into class on your first day you WILL fail, period. You will suck and you will get exhausted. That's just how it works when you first start out. The class will get you in shape. That's one of the main reasons people go in the first place.

    Now, I'm not discouraging you from working out, since general fitness is always a good thing, but don't think you need to prepare for a martial arts class. The class itself is preparation. The idea of going to a martial arts class to look good in the martial arts class is stupid.
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    If you can pass a pretty basic fitness test, Jog 1 mile, do 20 pushups, do 20 situps, do 50 jumping jacks then you are ready to start taking classes. You'll get exhausted for the first few weeks, You'll gas 15 minutes into class pretty often, but that's the point. Plenty of people at the gym I train at are a bit on the hefty side right now and some of them gas pretty quick, but they're all rapidly improving. If you've been hitting the gym pretty regularly for the last couple of months you'll be fine. Jump in there and start training.
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    I found it VERY hard on the feet. Practically everyone at camp had blisters on the big toe and balls of their feet for the first couple of weeks.
    This is assuming you are training barefoot.

    Depending on how much rope you have jumped in the past I would try to get a head start on that stuff, it can be hard on the feet/shins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joest
    I found it VERY hard on the feet. Practically everyone at camp had blisters on the big toe and balls of their feet for the first couple of weeks.
    This is assuming you are training barefoot.

    Depending on how much rope you have jumped in the past I would try to get a head start on that stuff, it can be hard on the feet/shins.
    Yeah thats fine as long as there is no long-term harm to my knees or other parts of the body.
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