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    Sippalki History

    Hi, I'm from Argentina, and in my country there's a korean, named Yoo Soo Nam, that has been living here for more than 30 years. This man says that is the heir of the Ion Bi Ryu style of Shippalgi (or as he romanized it, Sipalki). They say that Sipalki is the older Korean martial art (and is more than 2000 years old).
    They practice this 18 techniques:



    The few Sipalki practitioners that I talk to, says that Yoo Soo Nam is very famous and give Self-Defense lessons to many masters all around the world, but every time I look for info on him, I always come back with pages from Argentina. The only info I could find in another language is this article that was published in the Journal of Asian Martial Arts, but it was writed by an argentinian guy.

    http://www.taekwon.com.ar/a.pdf
    http://www.taekwon.com.ar/b.pdf
    http://www.taekwon.com.ar/c.pdf
    http://www.taekwon.com.ar/d.pdf

    I wanna know if any of you have ever heard of him or know if the style Ion Bi Ryu is practiced in korea or if it was an invention of Yoo Soo Nam with no relation to the original Shippalgi.

    This are some pages about Sipalki with some videos, they are all in spanish, maybe you can translate them with google:

    http://www.sipalki-aonikenk.com.ar/
    http://www.sipalki-mu.com.ar/web_index.php
    http://www.sipalki-danbog.com.ar/
    http://www.sipalki.com.ar/Novedades/escindex.html
    http://www.sipalkirosario.com.ar/

    EDIT: I hope that you understand what I wrote because I'm not very good with English.
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    While Sibpalki is one of the oldest Korean styles, it is not 2000 years old. It is less than 400 hundred years old. Nam Yoosoo is a master of his family's school of Sibpalki, but not all of Sibpalki. Sibpalki, the 18 Techniques, is a cover-all term for the Korean military arts of the Yi Dynasty, which bear a very direct CMA link, and as such, can vary from school to school.

    Any other questions?
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    Thanks for answering my questions.

    I have another questions: Do you know if the Ion Bi Ryu Style is practiced in Korea?
    and do you know about any book about korean martial arts with info on Shippalgi (I had read somewhere that Dr. He-Young Kimm is writing a book, but I can't find info on his release date)?
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    Ionbi Ryu is not practiced in Korea.

    There are books on Sibpalgi, but none in any language other than Korean. I had not heard that Dr. Kimm was writing one.
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    Yes, he is writing a book about the history of korean martial arts, at least that's what I had read... I'm gonna try to find the page where I had read that and post it here.
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    In this page the book is mentioned http://www.hanmudo.org/founder.htm

    For almost the past ten years, Dr. Kimm has been compiling information and conducting scores of interviews for his next book, The History of Korean Martial Arts. The book will document the history of martial arts of ancient Korea and trace their evolution to the practice of Modern Korean Martial Arts throughout the world.
    This isn't where I had originally read it. I think a user of the itf-online forums (www.itf-online.com), who knows Dr. Kimm, say that the book is gonna be out this year, but the forum has been shutdown, so I can't look for the post.
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    Sipalki

    I originally asked this in the history forum. Maybe I can get more answers in this forum.

    I'm from Argentina, and in my country there's a korean, named Yoo Soo Nam, that has been living here for more than 30 years. This man says that is the heir of the Ion Bi Ryu style of Shippalgi (or as he romanized it, Sipalki). They say that Sipalki is the older Korean martial art (and is more than 2000 years old).
    The truth is that this style is extremely similar to Hapkido, Kuksoolwon and Taekwon-do and has nothing to do with the Shippalgi of the Muyedobotongji. But they say that the Ho Sin Sul techniques where developed by koreans hundreads of years ago. Looking at the techniques is obvious that they came from Hapkido.
    They practice this 18 techniques:



    This article was published in the Journal Of Asian Martial Arts, but it was writed by an argentinian guy.

    http://www.taekwon.com.ar/a.pdf
    http://www.taekwon.com.ar/b.pdf
    http://www.taekwon.com.ar/c.pdf
    http://www.taekwon.com.ar/d.pdf

    If someone have any info on Yoo Soo Nam and if Ion Bi Ryu is practiced in Korea, please post here. Thanks!!!!

    Here are some videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on99jX3zq10
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQbZ1rgMp7k
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ0-76T6YVk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP7gcRKsjFs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMlOQtw1K6s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD30_xDCkV8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqgTFaFQ6wo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yru8c2CzbXw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auMbtFDMGf0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOhkJIQp9FM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QKH_xEPeNQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJSOTKCUPCg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifOOEzn8-e4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4F5cL-QRn4

    More videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...&search=Search
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    If it's similar to HKD or TKD it's NOT Sipalgi. The forms in Kuk Sool Won are supposedly similar in style to Sipalgi, but that's only thing of all that should be similar. DerAuslander108 is a SPG practitioner. He could probably help you out.

    Also Ryu is JAPANESE. That should be a HUGE red flag. Maybe good stuff, but not SPG.

    edit: some of the Romanization in that list you posted is terrible. Where is that from?
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    I have heard of ShipPalGi before, but have never seen any. All of the videos were garbage. Complete choreographed, compliant garbage. The sparring vids looked like point Karate. Looks like HKD or KSW in my opinion and we know the kind of rep those arts have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    If it's similar to HKD or TKD it's NOT Sipalgi. The forms in Kuk Sool Won are supposedly similar in style to Sipalgi, but that's only thing of all that should be similar. DerAuslander108 is a SPG practitioner. He could probably help you out.

    Also Ryu is JAPANESE. That should be a HUGE red flag. Maybe good stuff, but not SPG.

    edit: some of the Romanization in that list you posted is terrible. Where is that from?
    OK, in fairness I have no idea why I am sticking my neck out, but I put this information out there for whatever folks what to make of it.

    Matt is correct that the "Ryu-Ha" system is Japanese. So from the standpoint of claiming to a portion of a "ryu" this gentlman is most likely full of beans.

    HOWEVER, in the Korean language there is a suffix ("-류" ) which, when appended to a noun suggests a "style", "type", "manner". So if what this gentleman is saying is that I do a particular manner of performing "18 Methods" then he could probably get away with it. I should add that while I orignally had the Han-ja for this Han-gul I can't put my hands on it right this second. Han-ja is always more accurate in relating information though both depend heavily on context.

    Another important thing to remembe is that technically, SIPALKI is not actually an art in the cohesive sense. Rather it was an approach to develop a fighting force. Just as a person might only be considered literate in Korean if he has learned the 3,000 Character Classic, so also a warrior in Korean military service was not really considered an accomplished warrior if he was not competent with the 18 methods common to the Pre-17th Century battlefields. Problem was that not everybody agreed on what these 18 methods consisted of so various sources cite various weapons. To some degree the adoption of the MU JE BO (publ 1746) and later the MU YEI TOBO TONG JI (publ 1795) helped out with this by adding consistency to training expectations. The 3000-man Korean professional army, acting as training cadre to corvee troops in the rural area could then have guidance in overseeing the development of military skills in their charges.

    In modern parlance, SIPALKI, has taken on more of a cohesive and systemic approach. Though prior to the Japanese Occupation this approach to martial valor had been eclipsed by 19th and 20th century military science, nearly all of the methods have survived to modern day as cultural artifacts, usually in rural and conservative areas of Korea. During the 1970-s following the fall of the military dictatorship a number of entities have begun to come out of the shadows. Currently, there are at least five recognized styles of Chinese Boxing two of which have records predating the Occupation. In like manner SIPALKI has come to the fore and is currently being more tightly structured under the Korean Sipalki Assn. ( See: 18ki.org; mysipalki.com; ALSO See: MU YEI 24 KI)

    WARNING WARNING DANGER --- Personal Opinion Follows!!!!!!

    Iin my Very Very humble opinion, I PERSONALLY do not believe this guy in Argentina is the heritor or leader of some extant faction of Korean practice. My guess--- and it is ONLY a guess--- is that this fella probably studied something including bits and piece from a lot of places, came to Argentina and is using the same approach to martial training as might be found in the practice of traditional SIPALKI. In this way I think it would be more accurate to say that he practicing a SIPALKI-like system or practicing in a SIPALKI fashion. Honestly I don't think he actually teaches SIPALKI. But thats just my opinion. "The opinions of this contributor do not reflect those of this station or the broadcasting network in general."

    Best Wishes,

    Bruce
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