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  1. M1K3 is offline
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    Jack Dempsey's Championhip Boxing

    Here is the link to Dempsey's Championship boxing if anyone is interested. It's dated but still a worth a look. It is a pdf file so you can download it and print it if you want.

    http://www.freecirclefighting.com/

    click on the archive tab and look for the pdf reference.

    The book is a really good look at old school boxing, the chapter on shovel hooks and uppercuts is well worth reading.

    I"m not going to hang around as my head is not really all with it right now. I just found out my grandson does NOT have cystic fribosis!!! Up until today it has been a very SUCK week.

    It is good to share good news.
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    It's good to hear good news. Mazel tov.

    And thanks for the link; it may have been posted before, but I somehow missed it. So it hasn't been a total loss. ;)
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    Same here. Either way, thanks to both posters of this, it sounds like it'll come in handy.
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    That book is not anywhere near as dated as you seem to suggest.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    That book is not anywhere near as dated as you seem to suggest.
    Yes, and no. While the content is good the vocabulary and illustrations are quaint. Also, the lead jolt is not as common of a punch nowadays. I think the book is great that is why I posted the link. I also think chap, fellow, swell should be reintroduced to the bullshido lexicon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M1K3
    Yes, and no. While the content is good the vocabulary and illustrations are quaint. Also, the lead jolt is not as common of a punch nowadays. I think the book is great that is why I posted the link. I also think chap, fellow, swell should be reintroduced to the bullshido lexicon.
    That lingo was corny even when Dempsey wrote the book. He did that on purpose as a joke.. :smile:


    Yes, the "lead jolt" isn't used as much nowadays. I'm not convinced this is a good thing. I mean, when you commit to extending your arm, you open yourself up anyway. So, if you are going to expose a leak by committing, why not make it a good attack while you are at it?

    I understand the need for feinting and setups, but there is a difference between a non-telegraphic decent punch thrown which doesn't work by itself and the flicky **** and/or stiff arm distance gauges you see more of today. It's almost as if boxing's jab is devolving back to pre-Jim Corbett days.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    I agree. If you watch the strikers in the UFC you see more of the types of punches Dempsey was talking about. Also the book was written to a large degree to be about fist fighting and not boxing, where committing to power punching is much more important. I wonder what he would have thought about punchers like George Foreman (either time) or the early Mike Tyson. Dempsey was a big fan of shovel hooks and uppercuts as well as the jolt and at least according to his book invented the bob and weave. He also seemed to hold the jab in disdain.
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    Trivia: Bruce Lee relied this book quite a bit. 'xcept he changed the stance so the strong side was forward, so your straight lead would be just as powerful as it can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joest
    Trivia: Bruce Lee relied this book quite a bit. 'xcept he changed the stance so the strong side was forward, so your straight lead would be just as powerful as it can be.

    I call Bullshido.

    Please provide your references for making this kind of claim.


    There are reasons why any practitioner might want to put their power side forward. However, making that hand's punch stronger is absolutely without question false.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    I call Bullshido.

    Please provide your references for making this kind of claim.


    There are reasons why any practitioner might want to put their power side forward. However, making that hand's punch stronger is absolutely without question false.
    Actually he's right.

    BL did reference this book heavily and went but went with the "strong side foward" mentality. This is because he believed the lead hand would strike more often and had the potential to do more damage.

    And reread what he posted. He didn't say it made the punching and stronger he said it would make as strong as it could be so your strongest weapon would be the one attacking more often.
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