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  1. bad credit is offline

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    Mark Kerr armbar variation

    I saw Mark Kerr do this years ago, and I keep trying to get it off in rolling. Basically, instead of holding the armbaree's wrist with both your hands, or crossing your arms over it, you tuck it under your armpit, so his arm is diagonally stretched across your body.

    I couldn't find any pics or vid of it, so I'll try to explain it better. I'm on top in mount, I transition to armbar his left arm, as I do so, I use my right hand to push his arm over to my left and tuck it under my left armpit, where it's held firmly. I sit back for the tap.

    In practice, I've had Shooto and Kung Fu guys say it feels way tighter, but I had a BJJ guy tell me it would be hard to do in sparring. I feel it takes a split second longer to set up, which is dangerous, but if you get it, it's way tighter.

    What do you guys think? Too low percentage?

    Oh, one more thing, where did Mark Kerr get this from? Is it a Catch thing? Did he make it up himself?
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    My intructor (BJJ) uses this a lot, and from many different positions.
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    Tucking a limb into your armpit is a standard way to finish an armbar or kneebar that you don't have locked all the way, but the attack you described from mount is unnecessary.

    When I think of Mark Kerr I think gojitsu, not technical BJJ. Furthermore, kung fu guys are not really a good measure of the quality of your armlock.
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    I wouldn't do it from mount, but it can be pretty good for an armbar from guard, especially no gi. You can set it up by arm dragging, and tucking the arm for the armbar when he tries to posture up.
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    Doing it as bad credit says is actually going to more properly place the arm so you're not crushing your nuts (the arm will be cutting across your thigh). It isn't going to pass it over your stomach, it is going to decrease the angle between their arm and their body, which is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    I wouldn't do it from mount, but it can be pretty good for an armbar from guard, especially no gi. You can set it up by arm dragging, and tucking the arm for the armbar when he tries to posture up.
    I do it when I have someone in a triangle when I'm particularly cranky.
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    One of the seniors in my gym gets armbars by overhooking an arm from guard and pushing of the opponents head with his other arm. Once there is enough space, he goes for the armbar.
    Works for him.
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    Don't forget, whenever you use one of Kerr's techniques, you have to use Roid's and Vicodin, as a preliminary measure.
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    I do this from back mount. Overhook the arm on one side and swing the opposite leg over. It's pretty tight, but since you're not grabbing the wrist there's a chance they can roll and escape.
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    Imagine if track was run like the martial arts community. While the winning teams would just sprint down the field, smoking the competition, you'd have a bunch of losers running around explaining how they can skip down the track just as fast. Never mind that it doesn't fucking work. Oh no, they're too fast for track. They run on the STREET.
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     Style: judo, karate, jap jj

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    i thought this was just a standard variation of the armbar grip

    there is plenty more variations, many that you just invent at the time depending on the situation.
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