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  1. MaartenSFS is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt W.
    What is TKD? Let's face it folks. If there is one thing that separates TKD from other arts (for both ITF and WTF) it is the amount of and specialization in JUMPING, FLYING and SPINNING kicks. Period. Sure, they also have a different way of throwing kicks which can be fast but lose power due to the over emphasis on chambering, but it's mainly the flashy kicks hat matter. Hell, when I read Choi's biography there was even mention of that as being one of the key aspects that made TKD a "new" Korean art.

    Funny thing is, though "flashy kicks" are almost universally bagged on (even by shitty Krotty people), they are probably one of the most workable parts of TKD. The spinning back kick is making great headway in MMA. Spinning heal/hook kicks have knockout power even in FC competition. And I even think the flying sidekick has it's place. IMO, the best thing I took out of studying TKD (and pretty much the only worthwhile thing) are the gimmick kicks that can garner a surprise KO.

    If TKD wants to become more respected while remaining unique, it needs a realistic full contact venue where, in addition to developing better and more realistic basic punching and kicking, people can pressure test those gimmick kicks.
    I actually agree a lot with that. One other major thing that TKDists usually lack is foundation training (I.E. They lack any strength whatsoever and aren't agressive enough). If they had actual power behind anything that they threw it could be dangerous. The problem is that WTF, for example, does not want to breed fighters. Parents would object to sending their children by the truckload if they knew that there were actual risks involved. And WTF wants truckloads of fiscal units.. err... children. And since WTF is more or less sponsored by Korea and the Olympics their power holds no ends.. Hence doom hath befallen TKD. Oldman.. If you want to save TKD, you must first... KILL WTF. The first time I saw WTF I thought that it meant "What The ****?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by emboesso
    A black guy robbed me. Hence, all black people are thieves.
    I completely agree! We have the same problem with Xinjiang people here in China!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaartenSFS
    I actually agree a lot with that. One other major thing that TKDists usually lack is foundation training (I.E. They lack any strength whatsoever and aren't agressive enough). If they had actual power behind anything that they threw it could be dangerous. The problem is that WTF, for example, does not want to breed fighters. Parents would object to sending their children by the truckload if they knew that there were actual risks involved. And WTF wants truckloads of fiscal units.. err... children. And since WTF is more or less sponsored by Korea and the Olympics their power holds no ends.. Hence doom hath befallen TKD. Oldman.. If you want to save TKD, you must first... KILL WTF. The first time I saw WTF I thought that it meant "What The ****?".

    - Maarten Sebastiaan Franks Spijker
    I dissagree with that part a little bit.l Most parents enroll their kids in MA classes for several reasons, one of them being to have their kids learn some form of self-defense. It's just out of ignorance from the masses that they don't know there is such a thing as bullshit in martial arts.

    If you see your average judo dojo, the average ratio of kids/adults is quite high. Lots of boys and girls throwing the crap out of each other, and the parents are watching, many of them soccer moms. Most parents who enroll their kids in a MA school are willing to take some acceptable risks (provided the environment is acceptable and decent.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaartenSFS
    The only mistake I made was communicating with an overgrown tumour. It baffles me how the conversation got so far. I think I need to consult a physician.

    The visit would go like this:"Hm... Seeing talking tumours are we...? It could be a severe form of dillusion."

    Afterwhich I would enquire: "Dillusion?"

    To which the answer would be: "You know, like the people that do TKD AND think that they're learning MA. Perhaps the tumour is a manifestation of everything that is vile in this world."

    To which I would reply: "Exactly. Here is your well-earned money, good doctor. I know of a certain MaverickZ that would do well to visit you, Mr. Karvorkian (Sp?)."

    - Maarten Sebastiaan Franks Spijker
    I'm glad hypocrisy is alive and well in **** muffins like you.
    And it's "delusion" and Kevorkian, you nastly looking hyena cum stain.
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    Not bad for an English language teacher: Mistaking "sinophilia" with "sinophobia"...., writing "Dillusion"...

    But what's funnier:

    So many arseholes don't seem to understand that Qinna is not a style of its own, but rather a part of a whole, being integrated into the CMA along with Shuaijiao, strikes, dianxue, et cetera. I certainly don't limit myself. Anyone that does is ignorant and doesn't know anything about what they are teaching/learning. Before said arseholes go dismissing it (And most likely go roll around with sweaty men in Brazil)
    http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php...commentid=1529
    I smell a bit of homophobia here :P

    Back on topic:

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt W.
    If TKD wants to become more respected while remaining unique, it needs a realistic full contact venue where, in addition to developing better and more realistic basic punching and kicking, people can pressure test those gimmick kicks.
    That is the answer to Oldman34 problems.
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    TAEKWONDO is what is left from the pro-Japanese elements in the Korean culture attempting to finish what the Japanese started with the Occupation. Its not altogether different from Kumdo proceeding from Kendo or some forms of Hapkido proceeding from Aikido.

    Following WW II many Koreans who collaborated with the Japanese during the Occupation remained in positions of authority where they continued to promote Japanese materials to the exclusion of surviving Korean traditions. The result was that some Japanese traditions were retained and relabeled and fed to the unknowing or resisting populace. You will notice that the original promoters of TKD were many time Army officers and government officials whose background and development were heavily influenced by their connections with the Occupation. FWIW.

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    What is that I see.... it IS.... it's the DER SIGNAL!

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    I see traces of Whitman in this.
    David Allan Coe is my muse.
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    TAEKWONDO is what is left from the pro-Japanese elements in the Korean culture attempting to finish what the Japanese started with the Occupation.
    Wrong. TKD is what was created to try and undo what the Japanese had done during the occupation. It is still basically karate repackaged and with some modifications. However, I believe you mistake the intentions of Korean MAists at that time. If anything they were ultra nationalistic. All they had left after the occupation was japanese MA. So they took those MA and created tenuous connections to Korean history and older Korean MA (Taekkyon, anyone?), then they created new forms, added and modified some techniques and... violla! A "new" Korean MA was born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt W.
    Wrong. TKD is what was created to try and undo what the Japanese had done during the occupation. It is still basically karate repackaged and with some modifications. However, I believe you mistake the intentions of Korean MAists at that time. If anything they were ultra nationalistic. All they had left after the occupation was japanese MA. So they took those MA and created tenuous connections to Korean history and older Korean MA (Taekkyon, anyone?), then they created new forms, added and modified some techniques and... violla! A "new" Korean MA was born.
    Thanks for the in-put. I know what you are saying is very popular and widely accepted. However, it does not fit with the historical facts. I wish it had been as you say. Perhaps if they had, the US could not have installed the puppet government of RHEE Syngman and the first 20 years of Korean government would not have been dominated by military dictatorships. If you get a chance, take some time and GOOGLE "collaborators"+Korea and take a look at some of the material. There is a listing of over 700 pro-Japanese individuals who were or are in office. There are quite a few notables who have had influential positions in the military. You will also find 5 of the original 6 kwan to produce TKD and its pre-cursor "KONG SOO DO" were brought back to Korea from Japan where the sons of pro-Japanese Korean families studied under the likes of Funakoshi and Toyama.

    Korea does have and has had their own mnartial traditions but there was a very good reason these were suppressed even after the war in deference to the Japanese material. FWIW.


    BTW:

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    708 Pro-Japanese Traitors Exposed
    A Concerned Group of National Assembly Members
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    For the first time in the republic's long history, an informal group of current members of the national assembly, from both ruling and opposition parties, stood together and made public a list of 708 pro-Japanese traitors. Some 53 years ago, a committee empowered to do the same task was forced to abort the task under fire by pro-Japanese forces empowered by the US military government of Korea. The new committee took off where the ill-fated old committee left.
    The list of 708 traitors is only the first to be announced and more traitors will be fingered in the coming months. It is hoped that the publication of the list will lead to establishment of a special committee to mete out appropriate punishments to the traitors. On the list are many prominent figured in the pos-liberation Korea such as - Bang Ung Mo (Chosun Ilbo founder), and Kim Sung Su (Dongah Ilbo owner) - the two main conservative news organizations. Kim Sung Soo has been awarded service medals by the Korean government and how to rectify this is not clear.
    The list has vastly expanded a list of 99 traitors compiled nine years ago by Director Han Sang Bum of the National Issues Institute. The list includes pro-Japanese parents of several current assemblyman and how it will affect their political future is up in the air. There were heated arguments on the issue of those traitors who had served our nation well after liberation, but in the end, it was decided to include them on the list of traitors.
    Many traitors did not get on the list - most prominent is Park Jung Hee, former dictator of Korea and a junior officer in the Japanese army. The members decided that it would be better to go ahead and make public those traitors who are less controversial and deal with Park Jung Hee and many others like him later.
    Members of the Group are: Kim Gyong Chun (김경천), Kim Sung Ho (김성호 ), Kim Tai Hong (김태홍), Kim Hee Sun (김희선), Bai Ki Sun (배기선), Park Sang Hee (박상희), Suh Sang Sup (서상섭), Sul Song Ung (설송웅), Sul Hun (설훈), Song Young Gil (송영길), Sin Gi Nam (신기남), Sim Jae Kwon (심재권), Won Yu Chul (원유철), Lee Sang Su ( 이상수), Lee Jae Jung (이재정), Lee Jong Gul (이종걸), Lee Chang Bok (이창복), Lee Ho Ung (이호웅), Lim Jong Suk (임종석), Jun Kap Gil (전갑길), Jung Jang Sun (정장선), Choe Yong Gyu (최용규), Kim Won Wung (김원웅), Kim Hong Shin (김홍신), and Lee Bu Young (이부영).
    ________________________________________
    Pro-Japanese Traitors - Part One (708 names).
    (A) Class "A" (Most Offensive) Traitors:
    (1) Female Traitors
    Goh Whang Gyong (고황경): Patriotic Fund Raising Association (official), Korean National Mobilization (advisor), Korean Women for Japan (leader)
    Kim Whal Rang (김활란): Patriotic Fund Raising Association (advisor), Korean Women Issues Institute (a director), Korean National Mobilization (director)
    Mo Yung Sook (모윤숙): Korean Writers' Association (a director), National Volunteers Corps (HQ staff)
    Park In Duk (박인덕): Patriotic Writers Association (a director)
    Song Gum Sun (송금선): Patriotic Writers Association (a director)
    Whang Sin Duk (황신덕): Korean National Mobilization (a director)
    (2) Artists - Literary
    Kim Un Ho (김은호): Korean Artists Association (Japanese section), 반도총후미술전 일본화부 심사위원
    Sim Hyong Gu (심형구): 국민총력조선연맹 문화부 문화위원, 조선미술가협회 서양화부 이사
    Hyon Je Myong (현제명): 대동민우회, 시국대응전선사상보국연맹 경성지부 간사
    Hong Nan Pah (홍난파): 조선음악가 협회 상무이사, 국민총력조선연맹 문화부 문화위원
    Lee Nung Wha (이능화): 조선총독부 학무국 편집과 편수관, 국민총력조선연맹 문화부 문화위원
    Jung Man Jo (정만조); 경학원, 대제학, 총독부 중추원 촉탁
    (3) Publishing
    Kim Sung Su (김성수): 국민정신총동원조선연맹발기인-이사, 조선임전보국단 감사, Korean National Mobilization (a director)
    Bang Ung Mo (방응모): 국민정신총동원연맹 발기인, Korean National Mobilization (a director)
    Jang Duk Soo (장덕수): 사상보국연맹 경성분회 제4분회장, Korean National Mobilization (a director)
    (4) Religion
    Kwon Sang Ro (권상로): Korean National Mobilization (a director)
    (B) The Kwangbok (광복회) List (692, some listed multiply)
    ________________________________________
    (1) The Ulsa Gang of Five.
    On November 17, 1905 (the year of Ulsa 을사), the Korean government agreed to make Korea a protectorate of Japan. The five cabinet ministers who instigated the pact are known as the Five Ulsa traitors:
    Gwon Joong Hyon (권중현) - agro-commerce minister
    Park Jeh Soon (박제순) - foreign minister
    Lee Gun Taek (이근택) - defense minister
    Lee Wan Yong (이완용) - education minister
    Lee Ji Yong (이지용) - interior minister
    (2) The Jungmi Seven Traitors:
    One July 24, 1907 (the year of Jungmi 정미), the Korean government signed away Korean sovereignty to Japan. Those cabinet ministers responsible for act of treachery are known as the Jungmi 7 traitors:
    Goh Young Hee (고영희, land management minister)
    Song Byong Joon (송병준)
    Lee Byong Mu (이병무, a military aide-de-camp to the king, 시종무관장)
    Lee Wang Yong (이완용, prime minister 내각총리대신)
    Lee Jae Gon (이재곤)
    Lim Sun Joon
    Cho Joong Ung (조중응, Agriculture 농상공부대신)
    (3) United Advancement League (일진회 一進會)
    This was a "grass-root" association of Koreans promoting annexation with Japan. The following Koreans were its main proponents.
    Kim Myong Jun (김명준)
    Suh Sang Soon (서상윤)
    Song Byong Joon (송병준)
    Yang Jae Ik (양재익)
    Young Joong Mo (염중모)
    Yun Kap Byong (윤갑병)
    Yun Gill Byong (윤길병)
    Yun Si Byong (윤시병)
    Lee Yong Gu (이용구)
    (4) The signers of the Japan-Korea Annexation Agreement:
    Lee Wan Yong (이완용, prime minister)
    Goh Young Hee (고영희, land management minister)
    Min Byong Sik (민병석, palace minister, chamberlain)
    Park Je Soon (박제순, interior minister)
    Yun Duk Young (윤덕영, lord in waiting 시종원경)
    Lee Byong Mu (이병무, royal guard chief 친위부장관)
    Cho Min Hee (조민희, 승녕부총관)
    Cho Jung Wung (조중응, agriculture and commerce 농상공부대신)
    (5) Traitors knighted/rewarded by the Japanese in 1910 (annexation):
    Many of the elite who helped with the annexation were given aristocracy titles and annuities: 자작 (viscount), 남작 (baron), 백작 (count), 후작 (marquis).
    Goh Young Hee (고영희, viscount 자작), Gwon Joong Hyon (권중현, viscount)
    Kim Byong Sik (김병익, baron 남작), Kim Sa Joon (김사준, baron)
    Kim Sa Chul (김사철, baron)
    Kim Sung Gun (김성근, viscount), Kim Young Chul (김영철, baron)
    Kim Jong Han (김종한, baron), Kim Chun Hee (김춘희, baron), Kim Hak Jin (김학진, baron)
    Nam Jung Chul (남정철, baron), Min Byong Sik (민병석, viscount)
    Min Chang Ho (민상호, baron), Min Young Gu (민영규, viscount), Min Young Gi (민영기, baron)
    Min Young So (민영소, viscount), Min Young Lin (민영린, count 백작)
    Min Young Whi (민영휘, viscount), Min Jong Mook (민종묵, baron), Min Hyong Sik (민형식, baron)
    Park Ki Yang (박기양, baron), Park Yong Ho (박영효, marquis 후작)
    Park Yong Dae (박용대, baron), Park Je Bin (박제빈, baron)
    Park Je Soon (박제순, viscount), Sung Ki Woon (성기운, baron)
    Song Byong Ju (송병준, viscount), Yun Duk Young (윤덕영, viscount)
    Yun Woon Yul (윤웅렬. baron), Yun Taek Yong (윤택영, marquis)
    Lee Gun Ha (이건하, baron), Lee Gun Myong (이근명, viscount)
    Lee Gun Sang (이근상, baron), Lee Gun Take (이근택, viscount)
    Lee Gun Ho (이근호, baron), Lee Gi Yong (이기용, viscount)
    Lee Byong Mu (이병무, viscount), Lee Bong Yi (이봉의, baron)
    Lee Wang Yong (이완용, count). Lee Yong Won (이용원, naron)
    Lee Yong Tae (이용태, baron), Lee Yun Yong (이윤용, baron)
    Lee Jae Gak (이재각, marquis), Lee Jae Gon (이재곤, viscount)
    Lee Jae Guk (이재극, baron), Lee Jae Wan (이재완, marquis)
    Lee Jung Ro (이정로, baron), Lee Jong Gun (이종건, baron)
    Lee Ju Young (이주영, baron), Lee Ji Yong (이지용, count), Lee Ha Young (이하영, visocunt)
    Lee He Sung (이해승, marquis), Lee Hae Chang (이해창, marquis)
    Lim Sun Jun (임선준, viscount), Jang Suk Ju (장석주, baron)
    Jung Rak Yong (정락용, baron), Jung Han Jo (정한조, baron)
    Jo Dong Yun (조동윤, baron), Jo Dong Hee (조동희, baron)
    Jo Min Hee (민희, viscount), Jo Jung Wung (조중응, viscount)
    Jo Hee Yun (조희연. baron), Choe Suk Min (최석민, baron), Han Chang Su (한창수, baron)
    (6) Traitors knighted/rewarded by the Japanese after the 1910 annexation:
    고희경(백작), 민건식(남작), 민충식(자작)
    박경원(남작), 성주경("), 송병준(백작), 송종헌()
    이달용(후작), 이완용(), 이인용(남작), 이항구(")
    임선재(자작), 장인원(남작), 정영두(자작)
    조중수("), 최정원(남작), 한상억(")
    (7) Japanese Imperial Council members:
    Kim Myong Jun (김명준)
    Park Sang Jun (박상준)
    Park Jung Yang (박중양)
    Song Jong Hyon (송종헌)
    Yun Chi Ho (윤치호)
    Lee Ki Yong (이기용)
    Han Sang Ryong (한상룡)
    (8) Japanese Imperial Diet members:
    Park Chun Gum (박춘금, 중의원의원)
    Le Jin Ho (이진호, 귀족원의원)
    (9) Killers of Korean Patriots:
    These traitors hunted and killed Korean patriots.
    Kim Guk Il 김극일
    Kim Dae Hyong 김대형
    Kim Duk Ki 김덕기
    Kim Sung Bum 김성범
    Kim Young Ho 김영호
    Kim Wu Young 김우영
    Kim Tae Suk 김태석 (arrested patriot Kang Wu Gyu 강우규)
    No Ki Ju 노기주
    No Dyk Sul 노덕술
    Doh Hun 도헌 (Officer detective, Pusan Coastal Police)
    Moon Yong Ho 문용호
    Park Jong Ok 박종옥
    Suh Young Chool 서영출
    Yang Byong Il 양병일
    Lee Sung Gun 이성근 (North Pyongahn Province Chief Detective 평북 고등과장)
    Lee Sung Yup 이성엽 (chief detective 고등계형사)
    Lee Won Bo 이원보 (Gyonggi Province Detective Chief 경기 형사과장)
    Jung Sung Sik 정성식(북부산서 고등계주임)
    Choe Yun 최연
    Choe Suk Hyon 최석현 (arrested patriot Jang Jing Hong 장진홍)
    Ha Pang Rak 하판락
    Huh Ji 허지
    (10) Japanese Aristocracy:
    고흥겸(백작), 권태환(자작), 김석기(남작)
    김세현("), 김영수("), 김호규(자작), 남장희(남작)
    민영욱("), 민철훈("), 민형식(자작), 민홍기(")
    박부양("), 박승원(남작), 이규환("), 이기원(")
    이능세("), 이덕용(후작), 이범팔(남작), 이병길(후작)
    이병옥(남작), 이영주(백작), 이원호(남작), 이장훈(")
    이종승(자작), 이창훈("), 이충세("), 이해국("), 임락호(")
    정두화(남작), 조대호(자작), 조원흥("), 조중헌(남작), 한상기(")
    (11) Japanese Culture Council (中樞院) - 1910
    고영희(고문), 권중현("), 박제순("), 송병준("), 이근상(")
    이근택("), 이완용("), 이재곤("), 이지용("), 이하영(")
    임선준("), 조중응("), 조희연("), 권봉수찬의)
    김만수("), 김사묵("), 김영한("), 남규희("), 민상호(")
    박경양("), 박승봉("), 염중모("), 유맹, 유정수(〃)
    이건춘(〃), 이재정(〃), 이준상(〃), 정인흥(〃)
    조영희(〃), 한창수(〃), 홍승목(〃), 홍종억(〃)
    고원식(부찬의), 구희서(〃), 권태환(〃), 김교성(〃), 김명규(〃)
    김명수(〃), 김준용(〃), 김한규(〃), 나수연(〃), 민건식(〃)
    박제환(부찬의), 박희량(〃), 서상훈(〃), 송지헌(〃), 송헌빈(〃)
    신우선(〃), 신태유(〃), 어윤적(〃), 엄태영(〃), 오재풍(〃)
    윤치오(〃), 이도익(〃), 이봉로(〃), 이원용(〃), 정동식(〃)
    정진홍(〃), 조병건(〃), 조제환("), 최상돈(")
    한동리("), 허진("), 홍우철("), 홍운표(")
    (12) Japanese Culture Council (中樞院) - 1911-1915
    Lee Wan Yong (이완용, vice-chairman)
    권중현(고문), 이근상("), 이근택 ("), 이재곤("), 이하영(")
    임선준("), 장석주("), 조중응("), 조의연(")
    한창수("), 강경희 (찬의), 남규희(")
    박경양("), 박승봉 ("), 박제빈("), 박중양(")
    윤치오("), 이건춘("), 이겸제("), 이재정(")
    조영희("), 홍승목("), 권태환 (부찬의), 김필희 (")
    민건식("), 박제환("), 성하국("), 송헌빈(")
    신태유("), 어윤적("), 오제영("), 유흥세(")
    이항직("), 이만규("), 이봉로("), 이항직(")
    정동식("), 정병조("), 조병건("), 조원성(")
    조재영("), 최상돈("), 허진("), 홍운표("), 홍재하(")
    (13) Japanese Culture Council (中樞院) - 1916-1920
    민상호 (고문), 조민희("), 강경희 (찬의), 박중양(")
    조희문 ("), 김락헌 (부찬의), 김한목(")
    민원식 ("), 서회보(")
    (14) Japanese Culture Council (中樞院) - 1921-1925
    이완용 (부의장), 민영기, 박영효, 송병준
    이하영(이상 고문) ▲김현수(부찬의) ▲김영한
    김한목 ▲남규희 ▲민상호 ▲민영찬 ▲민형식
    박승봉 ▲박이양 ▲박제빈 ▲서상훈 ▲신응희
    어윤적 ▲엄준원 ▲염중모 ▲유 맹 ▲유성준
    유정수 ▲유혁노 ▲이건춘 ▲이겸제 ▲정진홍
    조민희 ▲조영희 ▲조희문 ▲강병옥 ▲고원훈
    권태환 ▲김갑순 ▲김교성 ▲김기태 ▲김명규
    김명준 ▲김연상 ▲김영무 ▲김정태 ▲김준용
    김필희 ▲김현수 ▲노창안 ▲나수연 ▲민건식
    민영은 ▲박기순 ▲박봉주 ▲박이양 ▲박제환
    박종열 ▲박희양 ▲방인혁 ▲서병조 ▲선우순
    송종헌 ▲송지헌 ▲신석우 ▲신태유 ▲오재풍
    유기호 ▲유빈겸 ▲유흥세 ▲윤치소 ▲이근우
    이도익 ▲이동우 ▲이만규 ▲이병학 ▲이택현
    이항식 ▲장 도 ▲장인원 ▲전석영 ▲정동식
    정병조 ▲정순현 ▲정재학 ▲조병건 ▲천장욱
    최석하 ▲피성호 ▲한상황 ▲한영원 ▲허명훈
    현 은 ▲구연수 ▲김춘희 ▲현기봉(이상 참의)
    (15) Japanese Culture Council (中樞院) - 1926-1930
    박영효 ▲이완용(이상 부의장) ▲고희경
    권중현 ▲민병석 ▲윤덕영 ▲이윤용(이상 고문)
    김영진 ▲민상호 ▲민영찬 ▲박기양 ▲박상준
    박승봉 ▲박의병 ▲박중양 ▲백인기 ▲상 호
    서상훈 ▲신석린 ▲신응희 ▲어윤적 ▲엄준원
    염중모 ▲유 맹 ▲유성준 ▲유정수 ▲조진태
    조희문 ▲한상룡 ▲한진창 ▲권태환 ▲김갑순
    김명규 ▲김명준 ▲강병옥 ▲김상설 ▲김상섭
    김창한 ▲노창안 ▲박경석 ▲박기동 ▲박종렬
    박흥규 ▲선우순 ▲송지헌 ▲송종헌 ▲신창휴
    심준택 ▲심환진 ▲안병길 ▲양재홍 ▲오재풍
    오태환 ▲원덕상 ▲유익환 ▲유흥세 ▲이강원
    이기승 ▲이동우 ▲이병열 ▲이택규 ▲이항식
    이흥재 ▲이희덕 ▲장대익 ▲장상철 ▲장응상
    장직상 ▲정난교 ▲정순현 ▲정태균 ▲정호봉
    최석하 ▲한영원 ▲한창동 ▲홍성연 ▲김윤정
    김한목 ▲김희작 ▲남규희 ▲민병석 ▲박기순
    원응상 ▲윤갑병 ▲윤정현 ▲장헌식 ▲정건유(이상 참의)
    (16) Province Governors (도지사):
    강필성(황해) ▲고안언(평안북.평안남.경기) ▲고원훈(전북)
    김관현(충남.함경남) ▲김대우(전북.경북) ▲김동훈(충북)
    김병태(황해.전북) ▲김서규(전남.전북.경북) ▲김시권(함경북.전북.강원)
    김윤정(충북) ▲남궁영(충북) ▲박상준(강원.함경북.황해)
    박영철(강원.함경북) ▲박재홍(충북.충남) ▲박중양(충남.황해.충북)
    석진형(충남.전남) ▲손영목(전북.강원) ▲송문헌(황해.충남)
    신석린(강원.충남) ▲신응희(함경남.황해)
    엄창섭(전남.경북) ▲원응상(강원.전남) ▲유만겸(충북)
    유성준(강원.충남) ▲유진순(충남) ▲유혁노(평안북.충북)
    유홍순(강원) ▲윤갑병(강원) ▲윤태빈(강원.충북)
    이규완(강원.함경남) ▲이기방(충남)▲이두황(전북)
    이범익(강원.충남) ▲이성근(충남) ▲이원보(전북)
    이진호(평안남.경북.전북) ▲이창근(충북.경북)
    장헌식(충북.전남) ▲정교원(황해.충남.충북)
    정연기(전북) ▲조희문(황해)
    한규복(충북.황해) ▲홍승균(충북.전북)
    (16) Province Government Officers (도 참여관 근무):
    강필성(전남함남) ▲계광순(강원) ▲고원훈(전남경북평남경기평북)
    구두경(경북) ▲구자경(경북) ▲권중식(평남)
    김관현(함북전남) ▲김대우(전남경남) ▲김덕기(평북경남)
    김동훈(경기) ▲김병태(평남) ▲김상연(강원)
    김서규(함북평남) ▲김시권(경북) ▲김시명(황해)
    김영배(황해) ▲김영상(전북함남황해평남)
    김영진(함북함남경남경북전북) ▲김영한(황해)
    김완목(충북) ▲김우영(충남) ▲김윤정(전북경기)
    김창영(전북경기) ▲김창한(황해) ▲김한목(충북)
    김화준(충북) ▲남궁영(충남경남) ▲유시환(함북)
    박상준(평남) ▲박승봉(함남평남) ▲박영철(함북전북)
    박용구(경기전남전북) ▲박재홍(평남) ▲박철희(충북전남)
    백흥기(황해) ▲상호(충북경남함남) ▲서기순(충남)
    서상면(충남) ▲석명선(강원) ▲석진형(전남)
    손영목(강원경남) ▲송문헌(강원함남) ▲송문화(평북)
    송찬도(함북) ▲신석린(경남경북) ▲침환진(경남황해)
    안종철(충북) ▲양재하(충북) ▲어윤적(경기)
    엄창섭(경남함남) ▲원은상(충북) ▲원응상(전남)
    유기호(강원황해경북평남) ▲유만겸(평북경북평남충남)
    유성준(충북경기) ▲유승흠(함남) ▲유시환(함북)
    유진명(황해) ▲유진순(평북평남강원) ▲유혁로(경기)
    윤갑병(평북경북) ▲윤상희(전북) ▲윤태빈(경기)
    이계한(강원경기) ▲이기방(황해함북) ▲이범래(함북평남)
    이성근(함북) ▲이원보(평북전남) ▲이윤영(함북)
    이종국(평남) ▲이종국(함남평남) ▲이종은(전북)
    이창근(경북경기) ▲이택규(충남충북) ▲이학규(강원)
    이해용(함북경북) ▲임문석(충남) ▲임헌평(경기)
    장기창(평북) ▲장석원(황해함남) ▲장윤식(황해충북)
    장헌근(함북) ▲장헌식(평남) ▲정교원(전북전남)
    정란교(충남) ▲정연기(전북) ▲정용신(경북) ▲조경하(충남)
    조종춘(강원) ▲주영환(충남경남평남) ▲최익하(평북)
    최정덕(경북경남) ▲최지환(평북충남) ▲최창홍(충북)
    한규복(충남경북) ▲한동석(황해) ▲현헌(강원) ▲홍승균(경북)
    홍영선(전남함남) ▲홍종국(강원)
    (17) Governor-General - Section Heads (조선총독부 국장)
    김시명(전주.전매)
    노윤적(관립한성고등여교장겸 학부편집)
    엄창섭(학무)
    유 맹(내무토목)
    이진호(조선총독부학무) ▲한동석(전주 전매)
    (17) Governor-General - Administrators (조선총독부 사무관 근무)
    강원수(세무감사국 사무관) ▲강필성(전남 산업부장)
    계광순(조선금융조합연합회 강원도지부 감리관)
    고안언(경기도 경찰부장) ▲구연수(임시방역위원)
    구자경(도 사무관) ▲권중식(평남 산업부장)
    길원봉(체신사무관) ▲김대우(경남 산업부장)
    김덕기(평북 산업부장) ▲김동훈(함북 내무부장)
    김병욱(내무국) ▲김병태(평남 물가위원회 위원)
    김성환(경성부 민생부장)
    김시권(조선금융조합연합회 경북지부 감리관)
    김시명(전주 전매국) ▲김영년(전시산업추진본부 제2과)
    김영상(조선식량영단 황해도지부 감리관)
    김우영(충남 산업부장) ▲김진태(교통국)
    김창영(전남 임금위원회 위원) ▲김태동(재무국)
    김태석(경남 산업부장) ▲김화준(충북 산업부장)
    김희덕(농림국) ▲남궁영(학무국)
    노영빈(광업출원분위원회 간사) ▲박규원(세무감독국)
    박용구(도지부서무과) ▲박재홍(식량부관리과장)
    손영목(내무국) ▲송문헌(함남 내무부장)
    송문화(평북 산업부장) ▲송찬도(함북 임금위원회 위원)
    양재하(내무국겸총독관방외사과) ▲엄창섭(함남 내무부장)
    유만겸(충남 산업부장) ▲유시환(함북 농상부장)
    유홍순(농림국) ▲윤상희(전북 임금위원회 위원)
    윤종화(전시손해보험조사위원) ▲윤태빈(충북 내무부장)
    이계한(경기 임금위원회 위원) ▲이기방(황해도 산업부장)
    이동진(내무국) ▲이범승(식산국) ▲이범익(황해도 내무부장)
    이범? ▲이병석(전매국) ▲이성근(함북 산업부장)
    이원보(국민정신총동원위원회 간사) ▲이종국(조선정보위원회 위원)
    이창근(평양세무감사국 세무부장) ▲이해용(경남 임금위원회 위원)
    임문석(전시손해보험조사위원) ▲임승수(경기도 농상부장)
    임헌평(경기 임금위원회 위원)
    장기창(조선식량영단 평북지부 감리관)
    장수길(경성부) ▲장윤식(충북 임금위원회위원)
    장헌식(총독관방) ▲전지용(재무국) ▲정교원
    정규봉 ▲정민조(함남 임금위원회 위원)
    정연기(전북 산업부장) ▲정용신(총독관방국세조사과장)
    조경하(충남 산업부장) ▲조종춘(강원도 광공부장)
    주영환 ▲진염종(기획부) ▲차윤홍(총독관방 기획과)
    최경진(경방부 행정경찰반장) ▲최병원
    최익하(평북 산업부장) ▲최창홍(충북 광공부장)
    최하영(후생국) ▲한동석(전시손해보험조사위원)
    현석호(총독관방외무부) ▲홍승균(학무국 종교과장)
    홍영선(조선금융조합연합회 함남지부 감리관)
    홍종국(조선금융조합회 강원지부 감리관)
    홍헌균(함북 농상부장)
    (18) Governor-General - Legal Prosecution (조선총독부 판, 검사 근무)
    Kim Jun Pyong 김준평 (Pyongyang District Court Head)
    No Sang Gu 노상구
    Moon Taek Gyu 문택규 (Seoul court judge)
    Baik Yun Wha 백윤화 (Seoul court judge)
    Yang Won Yong 양원용 (appellate judge 고등관 3등)
    Oh Sung Gun 오승근 (Daegu court judge)
    Oh Wan Su 오완수(Seoul court judge)
    Won Jong Uk 원종억 (Pyongyang court judge)
    Yun Sung Bo 윤성보(appellate court judge)
    Lee Myong Sup 이명섭 (Seoul court judge)
    Lee Sang Ki 이상기(Seoul court judge)
    Lee Wu Yik 이우익 (Daegu court judge)
    Lee Chung Young 이충영 (Pyongyang court judge)
    Jang Ki Sang 장기상 (Daegu court judge)
    Jo Jin Man 조진만 (Daegu court judge)
    Han Sang Bom 한상범 (Pyongyang court judge)
    Kim Rak Hyon 김락헌 (appellate court judge)
    Min Byong Sung 민병성 (Gyngki province prosecutor 검사)
    Lee Sun Jong 이선종 (Pyongyang district prosecutor)
    Hong Sung Gun 홍승근 (Daigu District prosecutor)
    (19) Spies for the Japanese
    Kang Ak Won 강악원 (spied on the Korean Patriotic Women's Association)
    Kim Dong Han 김동한 (infiltrated spies into anti-Japanese camps)
    Kim Lin Sung 김린승 (spied for the Japanese foreign ministry)
    Park Du Young 박두영 (headed Minsaeng-dang, a group of informants)
    Park Sun Yun 박석윤 (chief organizer of Minsaeng-dang)
    Bai Jung Ja 배정자 (adopted daughter of Ito Hirobumi)
    Sun Woo Kap 선우갑 (detective commander )
    Sun Woo Sun 선우순 (Greater East Association head)
    Yang Byong Il 양병일 (turned in patriots)
    Oh Hyon Ju 오현주 (spied on the Korean Patriotic Women's Association)
    Lee Jong Hyong 이종형 (senior consultant to the Japanese prosecutors)
    Lee Jun Sung (spy)
    Jang Mun Jae (spy)
    Jang Woo Hyong 장우형 (Japanese military police informant)
    Jung Byong Chil 정병칠 (spy)
    Choe Jung Gyu 최정규 (organized armed militias to hunt down anti-Japan forces)
    (20) Japan Promotion Organizations
    김명준(일진회) ▲김한규(대정친목회)
    민영기(대정친목회) ▲민영미(대정친목회)
    박제무(대정친목회) ▲박춘금(노동상애회)
    선우갑(대동동지회) ▲선우순(대동동지회)
    송병준(일진회) ▲신석린(동민회)
    염중모(일진회) ▲윤갑병(일진회)
    윤시병(일진회) ▲윤치호(대정친목회)
    이동우(국민협회) ▲이병렬(국민협회)
    이완용(대정친목회) ▲이용구(일진회)
    이윤용(대정친목회) ▲조중응(대정친목회)
    한상룡(대정친목회)
    (21) Japanese Police Detectives
    Kim Byong Tae 김병태 (Chunchun 춘천)
    Kim Suk Ki 김석기 (Kangrung 강릉)
    Kim Young Gi 김영기 (Kanggyong 강경)
    Bae Man Su 배만수 (Daegu 대구)
    Chim Ryang Che 침량체 (Daegu 대구)
    Oh Se Yun 오세윤 (police commander)
    Lee Dae Wu 이대우 (Daegu 대구)
    Lee Jing Ha 이종하 (Junju 전주)
    Jang In Whan 장인환 (Kangrung 강릉)
    Hong Sa Muk 홍사묵 (Kangrung 강릉)
    (22) Japanese Army Officers
    Kim Suk Won 김석원 (Japanese army colonel, Pyongyang Military District Section 1 head)
    Kim Chang Ryong 김창룡 (nicked named "Kim the Snake" by Americans, Japanese military police corporal, hunted down anti-Japanese fighters)
    Park Du Young 박두영 (Japanese army colonel 육군대좌)
    Uh Dam 어담 (Japanese army Maj. General 육군소장)
    Lee Byong Mu 이병무(Japanese army Lt. General)
    Jung Hun 정훈 (Japanese Army - Korea Garrison section chief 조선군사령부 보도부장)
    Cho Dong Yun 조동윤 (육군부장)
    (23) Japanese Police Officers
    강경희(강원도 산파간호부시험위원)
    강보성(전북 순사교습소장) ▲강진풍
    계광순(함경남도 경찰부 보안과장) ▲구연수(경무관)
    구자경(전남 경찰부 보안과장) ▲권오용(충남 경찰부 경찰관교습소 교관)
    권중익▲권태왕행▲길홍경(전북 경무부장)
    김계현(경북) ▲김극일(총독부 급소속 관서직원)
    김대원(함경북도) ▲김덕기▲김동선▲김명환▲김상순
    김상 모력(함경북도) ▲김소직(평안북도)
    김승련(조선어장려시험임시위원) ▲김영배
    김영수(경남 순사교습소장) ▲김영찬▲김우종(함경북도)
    김윤복▲김은제▲김인영(춘천경찰서장)
    김종원(경북 순사교습소장) ▲김준권
    김창영(총독부 급소속관서직원)
    김창림(총독부소속 조선어장려시험위원회 위원)
    김태석(경기도) ▲나구하(전북) ▲노기주(경남 경찰부 보안과장)
    노덕술(평남 보안과장) ▲노인국(전북) ▲마현희(경북 순찰교습소장)
    문진상▲박근수(경남 경찰부 보안과장) ▲박린종(강원도) ▲박장환(경기도)
    박재수(강원도 경찰교습소장) ▲박정로 ▲박준호 ▲박희정 ▲변영화
    서기순(총독부파소속관서직원) ▲서상용 ▲소진은(평남 경찰부 보안과장)
    손석도(황해도 경찰부 보안과장) ▲안경선(충남 경찰부 경찰교습소장) ▲안형식
    엄주면(경기도) ▲연태윤 ▲오영세(경남) ▲오석유 ▲오세윤(황해도 경찰부 보안과장)
    윤병희(전북) ▲윤종화(경성종로경찰서장) ▲이계한(경찰부 보안과장)
    이성근(총독부 파소속관서 직원) ▲이원보(총독부 파소속관서 직원) ▲이재붕
    이종국 ▲이종식 ▲이창우 ▲이헌규 ▲임호영 ▲임흥재 ▲장강선 ▲장기창
    장우근 ▲장우식 ▲장헌근 ▲전봉덕(평북) ▲전영찬(황해도 경찰부 위생과장)
    전창림▲정기창▲정충원(경남 순찰교습소장) ▲조성구 ▲조연광(황해도)
    조종춘(경기도 경찰부 보안과장) ▲조종훈(함북) ▲조창현(함북)
    주익상(전북) ▲채규병 ▲최연 ▲최탁 ▲최경진▲ 최기남
    최석현(강원도 경찰부 고등경찰과장) ▲최지환(충북 순사교습소장)
    최창홍 ▲최태현(함북) ▲표한룡 ▲한동석(함남 경찰부 보안과장)
    한석명(경남) ▲한정석(충북) ▲한종건(평남 경찰부 보안과장)
    허섭(경기도) ▲현기언(총독부 육군병지원자 훈련소 생도 전형시험위원)
    황신태 ▲황태근(경남 경찰부 경무과)
    (24) Japanese War Materials Suppliers
    Goh Won Hun 고원훈 (founded the Korean Aviation Industry, Inc.)
    Goh Han Sung 고한승 (Songdo Aviation Co. president)
    Kim Yun Su 김연수 (donated airplanes)
    Mun Myong Ki 문명기 (donated planes)
    Park Du Young 박두영 (Gumgang Aviation Industries - official)
    Park Hong Sik 박흥식 (Korean Aviation Industries founder)
    Bang Yi Suk 방의석 (donated 2 planes)
    Bae Young Chun 배영춘 (donated 1 plane)
    Baik Ak Sung 백악승 (donated 1 plane)
    Sin Yong Wuk 신용욱 (donated planes)
    Lee Young Gae 이영개 (Gumgang Aviation Industries official)
    Choe Ju Sung 최주성 (donated 1 plane)
    (25) Misc. categories
    고일청, 김기진, 김길창, 김동환
    김문집, 김연수, 김용제, 김태흡
    김희선, 박석윤, 박영희, 박희도
    방의석, 서 춘, 서범석
    서병조, 서정주, 손영목, 신용옥
    신태악, 신흥우
    양주삼, 원덕상,
    유진순, 이각종
    이광수, 이산연, 이석규, 이성근
    이성환, 이승우, 이영근, 이영찬
    이인직, 이종욱, 이종린, 이회광
    이희적, 임창수, 임흥순, 장석원
    장우식, 장인원, 장직상, 장헌근
    장헌식, 전부일, 전필순, 정교원
    정국은, 정인과, 정인익, 정춘수
    조병상, 주요한, 진학문, 차남진
    차재정, 최 린, 최남선, 최승렬
    최재서, 최정묵, 최준집, 한상룡
    허영호, 현영섭, 현준호
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    Best Wishes,

    Bruce
    Last edited by glad2bhere; 2/14/2007 4:11pm at .
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