what yall know about kensho-ryu?

[Doctor X]

Methinks . . . he has been escorted from the building.

--J.D.

[Uechidude]

Yep, he stepped on one toe to many!

[clarkksr]

Kensho-Ryu is legit. I've been doing it for three years. My Sensei (Erick Thorne) found Kensho-Ryu when he was looking for an applicable and street effective martial arts system as a prison guard at the super-max ACI. (He came from many years of TKD.) Kensho-Ryu is mainly a Kenpo system but it also has Kamishin-Ryu JuJitsu to round it off and make it a more range-balanced system.

Here's my school's website (different from the Hombu website):

http://www.kenshoryu.com

Hope that was of use...

[Rock Ape]

Define LEGIT

Made up arts by western people who then give their "invention" a pseudo japanese name isn't a good start.

OH and nice thread necro.

[clarkksr]

That seems like a very narrow-minded response. You can't dismiss a system just because it was created by someone who doesn't share the same heritage as the art. Take Ed Parker, for example.

EDIT: I know I'm new and I don't understand all of the conventions of this forum...is it bad practice to reply to an old thread rather than starting a new one, even if they share the same subject?

[Rock Ape]

My point being is simple.

There's a damn sight more 'self made' shite than there is 'self made' quality.

Tell me.. I see that your system teaches the "Katana" would you be so kind as to inform me which Ryu-ha the sword techniques come from, or are these 'made up' as well ?

I ask because I am a student/teacher of koryu iai and the basis of the waza utilised within all authentic koryu sword arts stems from the experience gained over many years (sometimes hundreds of years) worth of battlefield usage.

Reading the opening statement on the link provided in this thread sets off several red flags and, many here will tell you, the website reads like many others...

Kensho-Ryu, is a unique and versatile martial art - a system that utilizes traditional and modern training methods. The Kensho Ryu practitioner uses the rounded fluid motions of Chinese Kung Fu, the focused energy displacement of jiujitsu and the hard linear strikes of Japanese Karate in order to implement self-defense techniques, form exercises and free-fighting combinations. It is the intention of the grand masters' lineage that the system remain fluid and street effective. All training in Kensho Ryu, is taught with an eye on giving the practitioner the means of defending themselves in the street. Mass attack with both open hand and weapons is the emphasis of advanced training. In addition, Kensho Ryu is a complete Kobudo system with emphasis on Okinawan and Japanese weaponry including the bo, kama, sai, tonfa, ekku, nunchaku, bokken, katana, naginata, koboton and yari. Extensive self defense training against knife, club, gun and improvised weaponry is the focus of the modern weapons training.

The bold emphasis are mine to highlight the parts which, as a legitimate koryu practitioner, cause me to raise my eyebrows.

A number of the weapons listed in your system's curriculum are koryu based, I'm interested specifically in : "Katana, naginata ..//.. and yari" I also find it quite amusing to see "bokken" listed as a weapon in its own right (which it isn't).

So..

Who are your teacher's teachers ?
Which Koryu-ha do the sword, spear and halberd techniques come from?
What level of menkyo is held in those weapons?
How long did your system's teachers spend studying specifically koryu bujutsu?

[clarkksr]

I will check into the questions you had regarding the weapons.

In what way is the bokken not a weapon?

Also, the lineage of teachers is on the "Lineage" page of the website. Let me know if it isn't detailed enough.

[Rock Ape]

Additionally, not to speak ill of the dead however;

On April 22, 1989, Shihan Cerio, was awarded his Professorship by Professor Thomas Burdine, of the Kokonryu Bujutsu Renmei Association. And, on September 23, 1989, the World Soke Counsel, awarded the Professor the title Kaichi Yudansha Shihan “above Ranking Status” which elevated him to 10th Degree Black Belt.

Thomas Burdine has been discussed before as has the circle-jerking of the WSC

http://www.christophergeary.com/autobiography-15.php

http://www.midil.com/s1/selfdefense/...e/burdine.html

[Rock Ape]

In what way is the bokken not a weapon?

There's no singular system based upon the bokuto, this wooden representation of the Japanese sword is used as a suppliment for that weapon for training and not intended as a weapon in its own right.

Sure you can use the bokuto as a weapon however; if you do, its because you've already learned a form of kenjutsu or iaijutsu.

There's no weapon system that just uses the bokken, thus it isn't classed as a weapon in its own right.

[clarkksr]

Can you post a link to the discussion? I cannot find it.

Thanks.