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    Quote Originally Posted by OnceLost
    The standard is generally considered to be "What is effective in a fight," regardless of the venue (sport or 'street'). Yes, there are martial arts that are completely noneffective - most people don't study tai chi (as an example) for its combat applications, though, so it isn't a problem. The problem arises when a non-combat art (like Yellow Bamboo) claims to be effective self defense with practical applications in a fight.

    Chen Style Tai Chi is regarded as combat Tai Chi. I get your point but say the Chen Tai Chi guys kicks some other guys azz. Doesn't this vindicate or acutually validate this style as a combat style.


    Perhaps not, but rules are not disproved through the exceptions. Let me explain: if you take EVERYONE with 5 years of BJJ (which I've never studied, by the way) or MMA (which I've done 4 'classes' of) and EVERYONE with 5 years of any traditional art that does not pressure test it's techniques or concepts (assuming that is the ONLY MA training either person has) and get them to fight in any environment (sport or "street"), don't you think you can predict who is going to walk away at the end of most fights?
    I suppose. However, I don't assume anything when going into a fight other then it's a fight. I don't get into who has this or that. That may not be the total story or package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal MAP
    Your logic is flawed beyond belief.

    If a concept is flawed and a style displays that concept then by logical extension the style is flawed.

    A style that does not display that flaw is therefore inherently superior.

    2/10 - try again

    Wake up. I didn't mention style vs. style alone. There are moving beings involved here. That's my logic. So, fucc what you say you study. It's totally about the individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintanon
    Because at heart we're all very altruistic, loving people who shed a single tear every time we think of some 9 year old kid being given a TKD black belt, then trying to use what he learned and being put in the hospital by the bigger, stronger, meaner 12 year old kid. We do it for the children, we really do.

    But since you hate the children, and are probably a terrorist lover as well I understand why you wouldn't want us to help the children. Go on child hater, go teach the kids how to get themselves hurt.
    and that kids , is the true meaning of christmas .

    Well that and making full grown men cry because they are unable to stop you from taking the black belts or gold sashes from their bloated midsection's .
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    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    To look at the merits of a style, you need to try to take the 'person' out of it. That's why I clarified that little experiment by saying that the BJJ/MMA training and the traditional training is the ONLY MA training the fighters are going to have. Yes, there are going to be differences in aggression, natural skill, intensity, athletic ability, etc, but remember - the exception does not disprove the rule.

    I know what you're saying about tai chi, I was trying to refer to a "martial art" that is generally recognized as not having combat application. You can substitute any "martial art" that is honest about not preparing people for fighting.
    "Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
    - Terry Goodkind, "Faith of the Fallen"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal MAP
    develop a sense of humour, stop taking yourself so seriously and try again

    What is it with these fucktards?
    Sense of Humor. Are you kidding me? If, I don't step to you like some juvenile ass wipe then grant me the same.

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    It's totally about the individual.
    No, it's not. Would someone with more experience than I have please lay out the concept behind the Gracie challenge of having smaller people with limited experience in GJJ tap new-comers to show them that it IS about the style, not jus the individual.
    "Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wataboxa
    Wake up. I didn't mention style vs. style alone. There are moving beings involved here. That's my logic. So, fucc what you say you study. It's totally about the individual.
    Spoken like a true failure....

    I don't care how damn good you are at flower arranging you will not be able to beat someone in a fight with it.

    It is only about the individual when the other factors - in this case combat effectiveness - are comparable.

    So your logic is STILL flawed and now you have egg on your face.

    If you want a battle of wits you will have to look elsewhere - I don't fight unarmed people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wataboxa
    Sense of Humor. Are you kidding me? If, I don't step to you like some juvenile ass wipe then grant me the same.
    Then stop acting like one

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnceLost
    To look at the merits of a style, you need to try to take the 'person' out of it. That's why I clarified that little experiment by saying that the BJJ/MMA training and the traditional training is the ONLY MA training the fighters are going to have. Yes, there are going to be differences in aggression, natural skill, intensity, athletic ability, etc, but remember - the exception does not disprove the rule.

    I know what you're saying about tai chi, I was trying to refer to a "martial art" that is generally recognized as not having combat application. You can substitute any "martial art" that is honest about not preparing people for fighting.

    Again, it is about the person. I cannot remove the person. For instance. We do not spar at my School. Which is cool with me. Sparing at all isn't. So, me and brothers take it upon ourselves to do so outside of class. Which, my sifu doesn't mind at all. You take your art/training to where you would like not where your Sifu or training curriculum says.

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    Sense of Humor. Are you kidding me? If, I don't step to you like some juvenile ass wipe then grant me the same.
    You shouldn't take yourself seriously on the internets. You'll only get raped harder.

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