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  1. OnceLost is offline
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    2/09/2007 9:46am

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    Black Belt for a day

    We all know that the worth of a black belt has depreciated due, in part, to the number of martial arts schools, especially popular styles such as TKD and ke?po, that hand them out to 6 year olds and anyone willing to pay the testing fee (plus separate belt and certificate fees). This thread is about the MA Birthday Party idea of making the birthday boy (or girl) a Black Belt for a day. This issue originally came up on one of the Stephen Oliver threads (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=50220&page=10), but I thought it was worth it's own thread.

    Does this practice further devalue the black belt or does it serve to get children interested in MA (even a popular no-contact kicky one)?

    This is kind of generic, but I'll start here:
    http://www.birthday-party-locations....y-parties.html

    In some schools, the birthday child receives for the party an official uniform (such as an Official Black Belt Uniform or "kimono"!). This special Birthday Person is a Black Belt for a day party goers earning their "Party White Belt".
    This is from a specific school:
    http://www.jeongsustc.com/index.php?...temid=37#party

    With our parties, all the parents have to do is take care of the materials and we will provide all the entertainment and fun. All you have to do is prep the decorations and the food and we will take care of the rest of the party. Your child will get to be Black Belt Master for the day and get to instruct their fellow friends in the art of TKD. We will also play a wide variety of games, from dodgeball to jump-over-the-rope. The highlights of the party is always board breaking. The birthday child gets to impress their friends by executing 3 breaking techniques. Then they get to choose 3 additional friends to also break a board. Additional boards are available for purchase.
    "Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
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    2/09/2007 11:49am


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    Broad breaking as a birthday celebration? That's a new one.
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    As far as I'm concerned the black belt stopped having any intrinsic value to it along time ago, so who cares.
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    I don't know, as long as the kid is aware of the amount of work that SHOULD be put into getting a black belt, and doesn't go on some ego-trip, I don't see any harm in it. It may actually get them to start taking classes from whatever school puts it on, and if they already take classes may make them that much more dedicated.
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    short answer.... no
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    2/09/2007 12:13pm

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    rw4th, I agree - it never had any intrinsic value, only the perception of value via the martial arts skills the wearer was supposed to have. Now, that perception exists only among certain arts (sport judo) and uninformed consumers.
    "Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
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    2/09/2007 12:14pm


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    I don't know but giving someone the job of teaching TKD sounds like an aweful way for that person to celebrate their birthday.

    Whatever happened to clowns, anyway? Oh, right, these guys ARE the clowns...
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    Longer answer: This belt in particular I do not believe is being held up in the same esteem as the schools REAL black belt (not saying that their real one is worth anything either in the grand scheme of things, but you get my point) and that it's just a party gimmick so that the parents can go "awwww! Look! He's such a little man teaching all of his friends!" while the kid runs them through kicks, punches and blocks in the air.

    I personally don't see a problem....well aside from the punching and kicking into the air thing ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HearWa
    I don't know but giving someone the job of teaching TKD sounds like an aweful way for that person to celebrate their birthday.

    Whatever happened to clowns, anyway? Oh, right, these guys ARE the clowns...
    I want to + rep u for this :icon_mrgr
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    Posted On:
    2/09/2007 12:17pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    I want to + rep u for this :icon_mrgr
    It's only a forum away.:icon_rend

    EDIT: Ironically, I forgot to mention, today is MY birthday. :P
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