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  1. Samfoo is offline
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    Also consider that there's the Copa del Mundo (World Cup) and the Mundials (Worlds) which could both be considered "World Championships". They're both run by different organizations.
    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    Imagine if track was run like the martial arts community. While the winning teams would just sprint down the field, smoking the competition, you'd have a bunch of losers running around explaining how they can skip down the track just as fast. Never mind that it doesn't fucking work. Oh no, they're too fast for track. They run on the STREET.
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    Also consider that no one cares if you're the world champion for anything below black belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    Also consider that no one cares if you're the world champion for anything below black belt.
    I've always thought having belt divisions at the worlds is ridiculous. Should just be open belt. It's not like there's "novice" divisions in Wrestling at an international level.
    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    Imagine if track was run like the martial arts community. While the winning teams would just sprint down the field, smoking the competition, you'd have a bunch of losers running around explaining how they can skip down the track just as fast. Never mind that it doesn't fucking work. Oh no, they're too fast for track. They run on the STREET.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    Also consider that no one cares if you're the world champion for anything below black belt.

    Gregor Gracie is a 2x world champion at the purple belt level- that says alot and Im sure that he cares about that. There are black belts that couldnt win the purple belt division in the worlds.

    Matt Serra won the worlds as a brown belt- that also speaks for his skills.

    Kron Gracie just won the worlds as a purple belt and got promoted to brown because of it- and yes that meant an awful lot to him.

    Just because someone wins a world championship at "X" belt level doesnt limit them to that level. You can take the top 3 medalists in the blue belt division and they would go far in the purple or even brown belt divisions, and so on up.

    The reason why the worlds is held in such high prestige (aside from it being the worlds) is because no one ever "accidentally" medals at the worlds. There are many many people who can go to the Pan Ams and either win a gold medal by default (no one else signed up for their division) or get a place on the medal stand by default (fewer than 4 people in the division). This isnt uncommon due to all the age/weight/belt divisions. It never happens in the worlds. Regardless of the division you enter, you're going to have to fight at least 3 times, with the average probably being 4, in order to get first place. Also bear in mind that all the Brazilians in the tournament have had to qualify by winning previous tournaments- so these are the best of the best in that division fighting for the right to call themselves the champion of that division. This is just one of the reasons why so many foreigners go to Brazil and lose in their first match.

    There are two tournaments to be fought in where, should you win, you could legitamately claim the title of world champion- The Copa de Mundo (World Cup) and Mundials (Worlds). The Mundials is run by the CBJJ and is the "official" worlds while the Copa is a competing organisation that offers cash prizes for the champions. Because of the money, and the fact that the two are scheduled closely together, the same fighters often fight in both tournaments (look at the results and you'll find many of the same names that medaled at both tournaments).

    There is a teens division and an adult division for the worlds with 10 weight classes per division (9 divisions and 1 absolute). There are no masters or senior divisions. So 10 world champions per belt level X 4 belt divisions= 40 World Champions a year- lets assume 80 because of the Copa, but thats the max. As was said, most of the people that win the Copa also win the Mundials.

    Many of the others who claim to be World champions have glitches in their claims- Most Americans I see that claim to be World champions arent world champions, but rather international master/senior champions.

    The International Master Senior tournament is another tournament held about 1 month after the worlds. This is an international tournament for those who wish to compete in their age divisions (30 years and up) but it is NOT the world championships.
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    Although, if you're the world's best blue belt, why the Hell are you still a blue belt? (Sandbag much?)
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    I'm assuming that by proving that you're the world's best blue belt, then you're also proving that you deserve a promotion to purple?
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    i would agree- to win the worlds and not be promoted is to be ridiculous
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumby
    i would agree- to win the worlds and not be promoted is to be ridiculous
    Hm... then what is the story behind this:

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    Gregor Gracie is a 2x world champion at the purple belt level- that says alot and Im sure that he cares about that.
    Curious, really.

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