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    How long? decades or centuries?
    I don't recall any reference to it pre-Occupation, but it is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Errant108
    I can.

    Ssang Jeol Bong (it's not jool or jewel, don't get me started on that again...) have been used for quite a while by Koreans. However, they were always thug weapons, and not likely to have been learned as a formal weapon by Kuksanim.
    What you're saying is that it is like someone making a brass knuckles hyung?
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    Ha. Interesting analogy.

    I'm wondering where this formal nunchaku hyung came from. If Kuksanim made it up, awesome. Just say so. To say that it was handed down from some source of teaching requires a little proof, that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    The techniques are mostly taught in dead patterns without teaching improvisation.
    No hard sparring.
    Poor quality control over promotion.
    Maybe I'm just lucky, but I know of three hapkido schools in the Toronto area and they all teach with regular sparring and alive drills.

    I think if hapkido was taught like that everywhere, it would definately be much more known as a potent martial art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    There cerainly is hope (though KSW and HwrangDo are complete fabrications and the same thing as hapkido anyway). The pro-hapkido circuit demonstrates that. If those tournaments become more common (and more open to other styles, last I looked you had to be a HKD blackbelt) the wheat will start to get seperated from the **** (or however that saying goes).

    Right now there are a few schools that seem to do things right but I've seen nothing to indicate they're becoming more common or are common at all.
    http://www.pro-hapkido.com/faq.htm

    There are no belt requirements for Pro Hapkido and nor do you have to actually be a practicioner of hapkido to enter.

    I think the main downfalls are no strikes to the head, no strikes to the legs, and no biting. I practiced all my biting techniques for NOTHING. ****.

    It would be cool if it was like kyokushin but with ground fighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudo
    Maybe I'm just lucky, but I know of three hapkido schools in the Toronto area and they all teach with regular sparring and alive drills.

    I think if hapkido was taught like that everywhere, it would definately be much more known as a potent martial art.
    I agree, it would be. Unfortunatly, you are in the minority of schools. When I began Kuk Sool the club I was with trained with some moderate contact sparring and alive technique drills, and it worked fairly well. Unfortunatly, I haven't met too many other practitioners with similar experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Errant108
    Ha. Interesting analogy.

    I'm wondering where this formal nunchaku hyung came from. If Kuksanim made it up, awesome. Just say so. To say that it was handed down from some source of teaching requires a little proof, that's all.
    I saw George Suh (ksn's youngest boy) do the hyung in Chagrin Falls, OH one time.
    It looked nothing more than a bunch of fancy twirling, although
    it looked like George spent a lot of time on it.

    It was pretty. Really. But all weapons in KukSool are done by way
    of forms. So you could imagine my shock when I joined a JKD school
    that did full contact kali sparring with protective equipment.

    That kind of thing is what KukSool needs to regain any validity IMO.
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    Which again, is why I believe that Guksanim created all of Guksul's forms himself. They bear no resemblance to Yi Dynasty Korean military forms, and the lack of partner work does not fit with a "military" art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Errant108
    Which again, is why I believe that Guksanim created all of Guksul's forms himself. They bear no resemblance to Yi Dynasty Korean military forms, and the lack of partner work does not fit with a "military" art.
    This guy is saying that a cat named Kang Ik Jo made the kuksool forms
    (see the post dated Mon Sep 18, 2006 by "Master Mike Dunchok":
    http://hapkidoforum.com/viewtopic.ph...a94943391c3c45

    Of course, this is third-hand information. I don't know of anyone who has
    the real scoop on where kuksoolwon came from, where it really came from,
    and is it an offshoot of something else or is everything else an offshoot
    of kuksoolwon?

    Seo says he studied hapkido under Choi. In the kuksool Red Book, Suh also admits, then later in the Volume 1 Black Book Barry Harmon says that it was a mistake and that the two merely knew each other by reputation (Suh and Choi). What a mess! Why not just come clean? Why is there so much controversy over the history of the KMA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Errant108
    Which again, is why I believe that Guksanim created all of Guksul's forms himself. They bear no resemblance to Yi Dynasty Korean military forms, and the lack of partner work does not fit with a "military" art.
    Now to be fair there is a staff sparring form...however it is pretty damn flashy. I mean, cartwheels and tumbles and stuff. It's fun to do though! :new_2guns
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