Internal Martial Arts

[Anjin]

I have always been under the impression that the fajin term was something more common/emphasized in 'internal' or neijiaquan. I've trained it through horse stance training and pole shaking. There are tons of ways to train it, and different ways to express it but its all about marrying movement and breath I guess.

[Robinhood]

I have a new way to view, internal is the opposite of external , in " external" the muscles move and the movement involves the space outside the body, the muscles cause you to move around in the outside airspace.

In " internal" the mind moves in the outside airspace and the movement is inside the body space with little movement in airspace.

Cheers

[Cullion]

I have a new way to view, internal is the opposite of external , in " external" the muscles move and the movement involves the space outside the body, the muscles cause you to move around in the outside airspace.

In " internal" the mind moves in the outside airspace and the movement is inside the body space with little movement in airspace.

Cheers

This is gibberish.

[It is Fake]

This is gibberish.

This is being nice.

[Tameshiwhaty?]

One of the most "External" MA Karate is very much about flow and speed a great example is Asai Sensei he was cross-trained in white crane kung fu but white crane is a large influence in karate. Hell Funakoshi was 4'9'' in a country that the average height was 5'5 not that big for a dude 4'9' Still a bit of a height things yeah I think you're right all arts have hard and soft parts in fact the goal in karate is to relax kime should only be less the a milla-secound.

[Anjin]

I'm still a nub, so bear with me.

I've been doing a little reading on the internet and books, and I feel like a lot of so called "IMA" styles have a lot of masters that were trained first in other disciplines and basic conditioning routines. Sun Lutang for example seems to have started off studying some form of "Shaolin" or "hard/external martial arts", same with Cheng Tinghua, Dong Haichuan, Li Luoneng, and a few others. I see a similar concept in the Tang Shou Tao system, which seemed to push basic conditioning and "basic" martial arts skill before pushing students into IMA concepts and practice.

My question is, are there any examples of the reverse? Noted martial artists studying XY/BGZ/TCC and then moving toward excellence in "external" martial arts?