The Stupid Question Thread

**SpringHeeledJack** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:02pm

Gotcha. Thanks for the tip.

**dwhomp** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:07pm

This is EXACTLY why I have dabbled in a couple systems of groundfighting. I dont want to be ignorant and taken off guard. Because I recognize the notion that I could happen to me. If I dont know what to do, I am hurt.

But by the name notion, ground rollers think there is nothing that can be learned the other way around. Again I only speak of Xing Yi.

How did I personally get involved with Xing Yi? It was easy. I had played around with a few different things and loved to spar, blah blah. I did a Xing Yi seminar because I had read about it and was interested in seeing it.

Through sparring with different people of different art and different abilities, we have all been hit. I was doing some sparring with one of the senior students of the instructor of the seminar and he hit me harder that I had been hit before. Now, I am a bigger guy. The people I would be sparring were flash TKD and Karate folks and I was used to walking through their punches and kicks with ease.

Here was a guy quite a bit smaller than me and he was just having his way with me. Then every so often I would get hit with something that would force me to stop the sparring session. It was more than just a lucky shot to my chin or a well timed uppercut right to my solar plexus. And more so, I was sweating like a pig and he wasnt breathing hard at all.

After that I was hooked and have been for a long time now; Proof was there for me.

I didnt focus on the strategies of the jab, or the proper placement and delivery of a round house kick. I didnt have to anymore, I just needed to learn how to move.

**SpringHeeledJack** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:18pm

Ok, I'm just gonna leave it alone. I don't want to start **** in these forums.These forums are for CMA guys, which I am not, so I don't belong here, and will respect you guys' "turf." Thanks again Repulsive Monkey.

**Bang!** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:20pm

dwhomp, you realize that you didn't answer his question, right?

**dwhomp** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:29pm

Originally Posted by debul937

I guess I have no business posting in here seeing as how I have no CMA experience, but after reading the above post, I just had to ask what in the world you are talking about. I'm really trying not to be rude here, but I really can't understand these punches that padding can't protect you from. I feel pretty confident that a boxer can hit harder than most any CMArtist, and they always train at, or at least near full tilt. Really, I'm not trying to be a dick, but could you please explain this instead of just saying that we have to agree to disagree. Sorry, if I seem angry, I just don't understand.

Ed-when I said the "above post" I meant dwhomp's not RM's.

I can try...

First again a caveat...there are as many CMA as there are fat people at a casino...to classify them all in the same light would be like saying White People Are Rich. As for my opinions, good bad or otherwise, I hate 95% of all CMA. It is drivel as far as any sort of fighting is concerned. It is Flippy McFancy and most lack any sort of realism or practicallity.

Ok, that said and i am sure I have pissed off some...

A boxer is a good example and one that is perfect to use....if you remember in the hayday of Ali, he would throw this punch that looked like a uppercut that would knock folks out and it looked like the other guys was taking a dive. I remember reading older articles even refer to it as a "phantom" punch. But it was a very real punch, thrown with excellent body mechanics.

We spend a lot of time studying how the body the moves, where it is weakest, where it is strongest. There is a quite of bit of analysis and discussion of how not to hit and how to best hit. This is then coupled with a study of movement and body structure.

So how does a XY man throw a punch? It is like dominoes falling down, one piece follows the other. Some basic mantras...elbow nevers extends pasted the knee. At point of impact, the back heel is kept on the ground and move in conjunction with the hand.

XY also uses a principal of "coiling" to allow for the full body to coil and uncoil in conjunction with the stike/throw/whatever. And I am sure you may write it off, but I cant explain some of these in text. Not because they are mystical but somethings you just need to see. And yes, it is something that can be seen. However, if you are sincere, TRULY sincere at seeing these in practice I will work on that (all I have is a cell phone camera) but I will film some and show it to you.

Again, these are NOT mystic secrets or chi ball whatever else that comes with it. But just as you could argue that BJJ was studied and excelled because it focused on how the body moved and phyics on the ground.

To refer to the comments about practice and how can gloves not help. Of course they do. And we train them as such. We use heavy bags, focus pads, all the same fun toys you do. The reason that when working with a partner we use a "push" more than a strike is that you are practicing on breaking an opponents structure and when that structure is broken they are at their weakest, you at your strongest. We use a "push" as it shows knoweldge and proper mechanics to what you are doing without hurting.

And I too am at a loss, as I am not familiar with speaking to MMAers much, so if terms like structure and the like seem to flowery, I can adjust the language I think.

**dwhomp** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:30pm

Originally Posted by Repulsive Monkey

dwhomp, you realize that you didn't answer his question, right?

Cause that post was posted after I saw his response:)

I am not a fast typer and I am truly attempting to bridge a language and knowledge gap.

**Bang!** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:32pm

What is your first language, out of curiosity?

**dwhomp** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:35pm

Originally Posted by Repulsive Monkey

What is your first language, out of curiosity?

English, but what I mean by 'adjusting the language" is to find description that is more inline with common frames of reference, based on my admitted lack of, experience with say groungfighting.

**Bang!** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:39pm

I was going to say you talk purdy good for a foreign feller.

Once again, though, he's not asking for an explanation of why XY works, but why you can't just use pads like normal damn people.

Edit: Or maybe he is. Carry on.

**SpringHeeledJack** · Posted On: 2/05/2007 11:43pm

Ok, I lied, I'm still here. I'm just a bit lost on the phrase, "breaking an opponent's structure." Perhaps you could elaborate a bit? And what RM just said.