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    Oh my goodness

    His sex seminars sound rather, er, unusual.....

    http://www.mail-archive.com/native_a.../msg01503.html

    There's just so much of this kind of thing going on, it's depressing
    I would personally prefer not to undergo such treatment, but unusual... rather not. That "opening of the first chakra" by insterting a finger into the vagina/anus is absolutely common in chakra massage. Which is done quite a lot outside of Swiftdeers circles. You can book that kind of massage at regular wellness-spa´s hereabouts.

    The whole chakra mumbo jumbo is a traditional indian technique/belief though. Indian as in India (the subcontinent) and NOT native american. Mr. "Swiftdeer" got something really fundamentally wrong there.
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    I would personally prefer not to undergo such treatment, but unusual... rather not. That "opening of the first chakra" by insterting a finger into the vagina/anus is absolutely common in chakra massage. Which is done quite a lot outside of Swiftdeers circles. You can book that kind of massage at regular wellness-spa´s hereabouts.
    O rly?

    a C&P from the article I linked to, as reported by a woman who had attended a sacred sexuality workshop

    "The first night we were told to dress like we were on a hot date," she says. "We walked in and there were all these ladies in negligees with their breasts and a lot of other things exposed."

    After attendees filled out extensive paperwork, including a nondisclosure clause (Lucy is not her real name), the organizers spread towels on the floor and placed a pipe and tobacco in the center of the room. Then, Lucy says, the two female instructors quickly set the tone for the weekend. One pulled her dress above her knees, sat on the couch "and totally flashed everything. I mean everything." The other instructor was wearing a bra with no cups. Lucy says she didn't know what to think.

    "On one side were these breasts just hanging out there, on the other side this woman who had never shaved in her life..."

    Lucy tried to be open-minded. "I thought well, OK, maybe they're just trying to make us more comfortable with being naked. I was trying to convince myself there was nothing wrong with this."

    Then came Saturday: Cowboy Day. Lucy and her fiancé arrived late, with the intention of asking for their money back and leaving. They walked into a room full of people wearing nothing but cowboy hats and bolo ties. The instructor from the previous night's cupless bra had switched to assless, crotchless chaps. Lucy decided to wait politely until the exercise was over and then ask for a refund. It wasn't easy, as the exercises were more intense than the previous evening's warm-up session.

    "The smell was terrible," she remembers. "They wouldn't allow anyone to flush the toilet, and there was no air conditioning. Everyone was sweating like you wouldn't believe. It was disgusting."

    But before Lucy could talk to anyone, the class segued into the next
    exercise — chakra cleansing, which the instructor demonstrated with a male partner. "The guy grabbed the lady, laid her on her back on the floor, took her legs and made a figure four with them, putting the bottom of her foot against her knee. She had her total crotch open, and you could see everything."

    Lucy remembers the instructor saying, "'Now we will clean chakra number one. Put your finger in the first chakra, inside her vagina, and turn it clockwise 21 times.'"

    "She was explaining this; meanwhile, the woman was getting a great
    masturbation right in front of us."

    Lucy and her fiancé tried to leave again but were coaxed into a back bedroom, where they were told they could try the exercise in private. They also were told that the only way to get their $1,200 back was to complete the course.

    Once inside the bedroom, Lucy and her fiancé were weighing their options when two bisexual women knocked on the door. "They asked us if they could
    do us. They said they really wanted to have sex with us, right then and there."

    Lucy declined, only to be scolded by the couple. "They said, 'C'mon, you have to be more open.' We walked out of the bedroom, and everyone was naked on the floor with their fingers inside their butts."

    Welcome to the world of Harley Swift Deer Reagan
    To me it just sounds like yet another abusive cult that uses sex to recruit people. It's a old con that's been going on for years and some cults do it very effectively and make $$$$$. Once you can get people to transgress their usual sexual boundaries you can get them to be "open" to all kinds of other things too. Oshso made millions from exploiting people in this way so have many others including the organisation in this article http://www.thewip.net/contributors/2...rope_a_ho.html


    Quote Originally Posted by kwan_dao View Post
    The whole chakra mumbo jumbo is a traditional indian technique/belief though. Indian as in India (the subcontinent) and NOT native american. Mr. "Swiftdeer" got something really fundamentally wrong there.
    Swiftdeer is just doing what they all do IMO. He has his own sexual proclivities and he has enshrined them in his own brand of cultic pseudo-mystical pick n mix bullshit so he can get people to do what he wants sexually.

    Check this out (scroll up just a tiny bit to the title The Waters of Gaia)

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=a...dagara&f=false

    It doesn't really matter if this is or is not standard tantric / yogic practice.

    People like swiftdeer will claim to have studied sacred sexuality far and wide and to have a) been initiated by a Dankini / tantric Goddess / (insert exciting and mysterious sexy person here) and so know some secret truth only accessible to "initiates" and b) will claim that their version of sacred sexuality is a unique combination of wisdom from the Sufis / tantrcis / Thelemites / Gnostics / Taoists / whatever and so cannot be criticised because nobody else possesses this secret knowledge.

    Just for the record, I couldn't care less what consenting adults get up to and how they massage their chakras providing it's not part of some cult where people get coerced and abused.

    I haven't had time to read all there is to know about this guy swiftdeer, but from the stuff I've seen it looks depressingly familiar and like just the same old abusive cult stuff only with a plastic shaman coating.
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    The point I was trying to make (probably in a bad/misunderstandable way) was mainly that what "Swiftdeer" does (as described in the eyewitness reports from his seminars you linked to) is not even remotely shamanic, and much less based on native american culture. It kind of prooves his claims about beeing schooled by a native american healer and shaman to be pure fiction.

    He obviously has vast gaps in his knowledge about native american (and especially cherokee) rituals and believes, which he fills up with run-of-the-mill new age practices from a totally different culture. A bit like someone who knows only half of a Tai-Chi form (from a badly written book without pictures no less) and fills the rest with western boxing.

    In fact, his lack of knowledge is quite astonishing. Its not like there would be a lack of actual research and well written books about the topic. So besides beeing a fraud, he is, in my personal opinion, also a lazy ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwan_dao View Post
    The point I was trying to make (probably in a bad/misunderstandable way) was mainly that what "Swiftdeer" does (as described in the eyewitness reports from his seminars you linked to) is not even remotely shamanic, and much less based on native american culture. It kind of prooves his claims about beeing schooled by a native american healer and shaman to be pure fiction.

    He obviously has vast gaps in his knowledge about native american (and especially cherokee) rituals and believes, which he fills up with run-of-the-mill new age practices from a totally different culture. A bit like someone who knows only half of a Tai-Chi form (from a badly written book without pictures no less) and fills the rest with western boxing.

    In fact, his lack of knowledge is quite astonishing. Its not like there would be a lack of actual research and well written books about the topic. So besides beeing a fraud, he is, in my personal opinion, also a lazy ass.
    Thanks for the clarification :)

    Surprise surprise a bit of googling confirms that he has some famous porn stars as cult members

    when I have time and the stomach to look at this character more carefully I think there's a distinct possibility that we can add the word "pimp" to the adjectives describing him

    In fact a google for "harley raegan" + "pimp" yields 78 results

    The fact that he is offering therapeutic services to survivors of rape and sexual abuse is deeply worrying IMO
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    Harley Reagan in Pasadena c. 1974

    I knew Harley a bit back in 1974. First I took his Ju Jitsu classes one summer in a small garage behind his house. His wife helped out. She was a black belt in Ju Jitsu. She was an accomplished martial artist. Once Reagan took us to hear a visiting Japanese 5th degree black belt master. Reagan seemed to want us to learn about classic martial arts. He also bragged that he had been a stunt man in the Billy Jack movie. I did not know that he made up stories even then. He said he was a friend of Tom Laughlin(Billly Jack). I checked the credits to the movie. Ha ha ha. No Harley Reagan listed as one of the stunt men.

    I few years later I was taking a class in Native American history at Pasadena City College. The professor had heard about Reagan, and mentioned that she and other scholars were suspicious of Reagan's claim to be an expert in native american sprituality. At that time Reagan was trying to make a name for himself in the scholarly community as some kind of expert on native american spiritual practices, supernatural experience, etc. He did not fool the experts, but lately he has fooled a lot of new-age sexuality pilgrims.

    If Reagan was harmless, and even imaginative and riveting like Carlos Castañeda, whom vividly wrote about his supposed apprenticeship to a yaqui sorceror, his best books being A Separate Reality, and Tales of Power, who would care? Instead Reagan keeps guns around him and threatens to shoot anybody that questions his veracity or "credentials". He has strayed far from the philosophical foundation of martial arts.

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    The new age fraud and plastic shamans website has a post containing excerpts purporting to be from the Deer Tribe manual (the contents of which are supposed to be top secret and restricted to Deer Tribe members only). Emphasis mine

    Quoting from the Deer Tribe manual:
    "The Chuluaqui is the primordial life force energy from which everything is created. It is the inner most essence of all beings. It is the Whirlwind Serpent Fire of sexual creation. With this life force acccording to ancient legends Wakantanka, the Great Spirit (The Everything) experienced the realization of duality and saw itself as the receptive creative force of the universe and the active conceptive force of the galaxy. These two energies came together in the total union of their emotional, mental, physical, spiritual and sexual energies and with their life force and experienced full sexual merging which is the Quodoushka. From that and from there, it created and birthed itself into all forms of all things and created life as we know it today.

    Quodoushka is the total sexual merging of two energies coming together in perfect harmony. Fully merging their energies in doing this, more life is created between the two. when human beings come into total emotionmal , mental, physical, spiritual and sexual harmony with a lover, a cohesive union is created and the Chuluaqui Quodoushka energy is experienced. In this state we become one with the everything. This high energy state allows for healing and wholeness for both human beings. It is when you truly know each other because there is no separation.

    The teachings presented in this handout are a part of the ancient traditions of spiritua lsexuality from the Sweet Medicine sundance Path. These Ancient people seemed to truly understand the agnificence and power of their sexuality and had discovered ways to bring balance and harmony to their lives through the use of sexual energy.

    The ancient tribes taught children about the beauty of their sexuality at an early age. Children were taught about the sacredness of the sexual union and the importance of honoring the people they chose to connect with.

    When the children reached puberty they underwent a special initiation ceremony, after which the girls were brought to a Fireman and the boys were brought to a firewoman. These highly trained medicine men and women who specialized in teaching "Fire Medicine" (The ancient knowledge of spiritual sexuality). The young initiates would then study with their fireperson for several years during which they would be taught about all aspects of their sexuality. The young ones made love with the Fireperson first and, were taught not only all the techniques for using their physical bodies, but also to develop and use their sexual energies. Thus lovemaking could become a beautiful, intimate, energixzing and harmonizing experience.

    Sexuality balances every aspect of our being:emotional, mental, physical, spiritual, and catlyses the full expression of our being. It allows us to experience our naturalness. Sexuality helps heal past pain and pain tapes stored in our body as blockages in our energy flow.

    These wheels, keys and knowledge offer an alternative and enlightened approach to sexuality as well as some beautiful ways to bring new understanding, openess and healing into this area of our lives.

    The Quodoushka Level 1 Workshop is designed for you to understand the catayst energy in your body and how to use it for wholeness, healing and to find your naturalness within your physical body. You could say that it's your "Owners Manual" of how to keep your physical body vibrant, healthy through the full expression of your life force, your catalyst energy."
    Read more: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index...#ixzz1biSUyPAp
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    This guy reminds me of George Psalamanzar, who claimed to be a Formosan (Taiwanese,) and for a time got away with teaching "ancient Formosan customs" at Oxford. Problem is, he just hasn't pissed off the right people yet. Once he does, something cool is bound to happen. Getting scalped, having the Stolen Valor people come after him, etc.
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    300 ft drop, lands on his feet and is in a coma? Hows that compare to this guy, from a 200 ft drop
    http://www.thecav.ca/images/News/Trapper2.pdf Shatterd all his teeth, broke his spine in 3 places, shattered his right hip, and more nastiness.
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    Newagefraud.com has an entry on this guy:
    http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index...ic=1333.0;wap2

    The POW Network seems to have something with his name, but it's blocked where I am right now.
    http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1252.htm ?

    Seriously, if the Stolen Valor people haven't already come after his ass, there's something wrong with the system.
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