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  1. patfromlogan is offline
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    I'll read it soon, real soon.
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    I noticed you studied the praying mantis style; what was your opinion of it in regards to its effectiveness for self defence and against western boxing?
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    So from what I understand, you took your kung-fu into the sport of MMA.
    It's cool that you wanted to do that, and achieved your goal.

    Personally I never joined the martial arts for that. To compete and do things like that. I practice because I'm fascinated with he art I use, and I can use it to keep the goons from robbing me and kicking my ass all over the fucking street.

    My Sifu is a traditionalist, and my school is a traditional school. So joining an MMA gym using the style I know would be frowned upon. But I don't want to do MMA in the first place. I didn't get in the martial arts for that.

    I've been rambling on about me, I'm sorry. I think its awesome that you set a goal and worked hard to achieve it. I think its awesome that you want to test your Kung -Fu against other styles. I'm no competitor so I really can't speak on that. But keep on keepin on dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn_(Xiao en) View Post
    So from what I understand, you took your kung-fu into the sport of MMA.
    It's cool that you wanted to do that, and achieved your goal.

    Personally I never joined the martial arts for that. To compete and do things like that. I practice because I'm fascinated with he art I use, and I can use it to keep the goons from robbing me and kicking my ass all over the fucking street.

    My Sifu is a traditionalist, and my school is a traditional school. So joining an MMA gym using the style I know would be frowned upon. But I don't want to do MMA in the first place. I didn't get in the martial arts for that.

    I've been rambling on about me, I'm sorry. I think its awesome that you set a goal and worked hard to achieve it. I think its awesome that you want to test your Kung -Fu against other styles. I'm no competitor so I really can't speak on that. But keep on keepin on dude.
    No, when I did Kung-fu MMA technically didn't exist. I had no interest in fighting I was a kid. I just happened to be over 12 years when MMA/NHB rolled around. Why change my style? I don't see bjj changing their style. What I did is adapt my training and kept an open mind about things. Traditional should not mean stagnant. If your style is stagnant you style is dead. Simple enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn_(Xiao en) View Post
    My Sifu is a traditionalist, and my school is a traditional school. So joining an MMA gym using the style I know would be frowned upon. But I don't want to do MMA in the first place. I didn't get in the martial arts for that.
    this makes no sense and shows how little you know about kung fu.

    my school is traditional, and that didn't stop us from competing in sanda, lei tai and yes even MMA.

    my sifu is traditional, yet he had no issue cross training in judo, and shooto. when i wanted to cross train at an MMA school, he encouraged me to do so. when i wanted to take a break from kung fu to devote myself to judo he encouraged me. do you see a pattern?

    if you don't test your skills against other styles under minimal rules, then your skills are untested. it has nothing to do with being "traditional", and is all about not being stagnant (as omega said.)
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    Besides, Chinese martial arts (up until the culture-rape of the Communists) practiced hard-hitting sparring and competitive (and occasionally fatal) fighting as par for the course. They fought all the time. They all thought you couldn't do **** until you proved it. The idea that fighting is not part of 'traditional' Chinese martial arts at all but the product of the tradition's destruction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn_(Xiao en) View Post

    My Sifu is a traditionalist, and my school is a traditional school. So joining an MMA gym using the style I know would be frowned upon. But I don't want to do MMA in the first place. I didn't get in the martial arts for that.
    Your instructor is not a traditionalist. Your instructor, if American, is using cookie cutter philosophy. Why? As Socratic has pointed out many old school, traditional, instructors competed in tournaments. MANY.

    If you need references or people to look up there are many myths, legends and research that bears this out.

    Also, as Ming pointed out traditional instructors cross trained. Many of the so called great masters, didn't learn the same style from one person. They learned Xingy from person A, received a letter of recommendation and trained with person B. They then moved on and learned from person C. Eventually, they founded their own style and like Omega, took what they knew and taught it all together or separately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Your instructor is not a traditionalist. Your instructor, if American, is using cookie cutter philosophy. Why? As Socratic has pointed out many old school, traditional, instructors competed in tournaments. MANY.
    I think what he means by traditionalist is that you keep your kung fu to yourself, dont show outsiders, dont support other schools or styles.

    Even with those strict teachers they encourage fighting so long as you dont say you like other styles. The ones that dont want you to fight and represent the school or system well, I really have no idea why they teach unless its for their own ego and wallet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chainpunch View Post
    I think what he means by traditionalist is that you keep your kung fu to yourself, dont show outsiders, dont support other schools or styles.
    This is pretty much it. This is what I meant about traditional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn_(Xiao en) View Post
    This is pretty much it. This is what I meant about traditional.
    That's exactly what I thought you meant and what I addressed.

    It is a weird phenomena that occurred. It is funny how you have all of these "clans" and instructors trading mixing and creating styles. Suddenly, "traditionalist" started hiding and marking forms.

    Money.

    We will have to agree to disagree. I think it is BS.
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