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    This thread has a link to another thread in which Kein Haar kimuras criminals. Good read.

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    Hahahaha you claim BST II as your style?? I like it!

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    Yeah, It's good for a larf. And it is technically the last thing I trained...

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    Mostly kung-fu and JJJ techniques and yeah I think Aikido pretty much sucks balls for this stuff. Most of the time people claim Aikido; I ask them what they did and it wasn't even Aikido.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless
    Most of the time people claim Aikido; I ask them what they did and it wasn't even Aikido.
    this comment intrigues me, example? I'm not trying to be a dick, its just that I believe I have experienced the other side of this (i.e thinking what I have applied was 'aikido' when others disagreed).

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    Aikido doesn't become agressive it's against the philosophy. Techniques in Aikido are actually Aikijitsu, take away that philosophy then it's Aikijitsu not Aikido.

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    Ok, someone's going to stab me in the face for this, but your interpretation isn't necessarily true. Aikido philosophy has no problem with you using the techniques to preserve the peace, and any injury from a "come-along" hold like Sankyo is caused by resistance, its not even that painful until he tries to go the other way. Anyway, my point is that if you're using Aikido for the benefit of the people you're payed to protect, you're well within O-sensei's philosophy of re-arranging the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless
    Mostly kung-fu and JJJ techniques and yeah I think Aikido pretty much sucks balls for this stuff. Most of the time people claim Aikido; I ask them what they did and it wasn't even Aikido.
    Does this mean kung fu, JJJ and aikido all suck balls, or that you use kung fu and JJJ and only aikido is crap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elipson
    You use the kimura for moving ppl? or just restraining them on the ground?
    A kimura is really only a kimura when on the ground. Standing or as a restraing it is more commonly referred to as a Hammer Lock or a Chicken Wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless
    Aikido doesn't become agressive it's against the philosophy. Techniques in Aikido are actually Aikijitsu, take away that philosophy then it's Aikijitsu not Aikido.
    I thought you might say this, I have also read you are closely acquanted with an aikijitsu instructor so I suppose this is where a lot of the technical input comes from? In any case, I am inclined to point out that I do not believe your comment is accurate in all cases. There is no agreed upon definition of what constitutes the 'philosophy of aikido'. There are numerous abstract quotations from Ueshiba that seem to contradict each other, and many teachers have vastly different ideas about what constitutes 'aiki'. This is why one school may claim 'there are no strikes in aikido' (or no pre-emptive attacks, et cetera) thus making people from another school feel like vomiting in disgust. Some schools claim 'all techniques are circular' whereas other emphasise traingles and linear patterns as well. The accepted idea that aikido techniques should never do damage is also total bullshit. I see aikido has having an emphasis on harmonising with the movement of an assailant, and this does not have to be in a passive manner. I've always viewed aikido as merely a form of jiu jitsu anyway.

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