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2/05/2007 6:30am, #21Originally Posted by KungFuCowboy
The arts that have flourished in non-restrictive ruleset combat sports have done so because they've been prepared to adapt. MT has learned from boxing, BJJ has learned from SAMBO and Wrestling. etc. etc. One of the main reasons CMAs have so little respect on this site is because so many of their practicioners have an insular attitude.
2/05/2007 7:29am, #22
Originally Posted by bornsceptic
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If your attitude is "****, I'm getting arseraped...I could really use a jab", then go learn a jab. Conversely, if you decide "nope, this is working for me, thanks for asking", then bugger the jab.
Those arts you mentioned did so because of the first reason, not the second.
2/05/2007 7:45am, #23
One thing that we're going to be trying to avoid is forum clutter. Re-hashing the same arguments over and over -- especially when most of them have been properly dealt with -- is tedious. If you're so worked up over whether san shou kung fu actually looks like what you think kung fu looks like, or why one particular kung fu practitioner feels that he has tools that serve the purpose of the jab (just like, I don't know, a BJJ guy who largely eschews kneeling passes) then maybe you should do some research first and then start a well thought-out and worthwhile thread. Why? So we can focus on subject in adequate detail (and in an appropriate place) and then move on with our motherfucking lives when it comes to other threads.
2/05/2007 7:46am, #24
By the way, Is It Fake is co-modding this bad-boy and he's not as nice as I am.
2/05/2007 7:58am, #25
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****..... what dicks.... we all know kung fu can't fight, why not let us LARPers go on believing that we have the ultimate....
...ohh and Virus, Bornsceptic, try to get to Melbourne for our next throwdown... its in March... I'll be there, can't say i have seen any footage of you guys from any Sydney events (say when was the last one?)....
2/05/2007 9:24am, #26Originally Posted by bornsceptic
The kind of kungfu I am focused on doesnt' give **** all about winning rounds. It's all about putting the other dude on their ass in ONE ROUND. While your at it, check out the latest MMA reels and count how many classic boxer jabs are thrown. Hardly fucking any. Here's the rock-paper-scissors on jabs.
Lead leg kick > jab.
You jab. I kick you in the ribs.
You jab again. I step on your shin.
You jab again and I slam into your full force so we are so close you can smell who I was in bed with last night.
Jabs are for feeling out your opponent and winning rounds. They are a BOXER's tool and when you remove the rules governing boxing their importance diminishes DRAMATICALLY. In Kickboxing they are still pretty important but much less so than in pure boxing. In MMA, even less important than in Kickboxing and with weapons thrown in, less important still.
So yeah. Jab away.
Just to step back into your tiny little box for a moment, consider the finger jab. That's an extremely common technique in CMA. Now try to tell me why a finger jab is inferior to a regular jab. I can tell you exactly why there are no finger jabs in boxing. Can you say why there are no boxing jabs in CMA? If there's enough air conditioning in the little box you put your brain in, get back to me before your brain overheats from all the exertion.
Let's reverse your logic for a moment and say, "Mate, if there's no pi quan in WMA, your attitude should be; "Well, Ok, I need to learn how to pi quan properly then."
Think about it.
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2/05/2007 1:09pm, #27
All I'll say right now is everyone, including you KFC, needs to step back and STFU.
Movie Kung Fu, for the most part, is not real kung fu. If you bother to read any of the books, detailing the famous directors, damn near all say they made the **** up specifically for the movies. So, every time I hear " it should look like kung fu," I laugh at your ignorance.
Before you haters get all upset. I get mad at instructors that say look and fight like Jackie Chan back in the day. Now its Look and fight like Jet Li. This is CMA ignorance because both actors admit they can't fight.
2/05/2007 1:23pm, #28Originally Posted by KungFuCowboy
2/05/2007 1:27pm, #29Originally Posted by KungFuCowboy
I don't have any interest in wether kung fu styles have a jab or not, I was only commenting on the fact that many people think they know how to jab, and then have their elbows flaired, push with their fist, and lean forward... or whatever. That has nothing to do with kung fu, since all the people that I see doing it on a day to day basis are in muay thai class.
Please excuse the interruption.
2/05/2007 1:31pm, #30Originally Posted by GIJoe6186
You realize that sanda can be in any style?
In other words sanda/sanshou in cullion's Tai Chi isn't kick boxing or boxing. It is Tai Chi techniques used and trained in the correct manner.
Yes, the definition has been skewed. Also, it doesn't help that advertising has helped further the myth.
If I say I teach Tai Chi Praying Mantis and Sanda it sound like an independent style. It shouldn't be this way.
You practice Yang style long form and do Sanda with the techniques.
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