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  1. bertandeurnie is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/23/2007 7:15pm

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    Bodyweight exercices, BS or not?

    Hi everybody,

    (Hi, dr. Nick...)

    I just found these sites, since I'm pretty new to bodyweight exercices I have no idea if they're BS or not. Can I have your insight?

    http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/shenandoah/OBB/OBB.html
    --> It shows a lot of exercices on the end of the page.

    http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competit...witt-intro.htm
    --> This site looks a lot like some site I've seen from Farmer Burns, which has been discussed on this forum allready.

    http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/index.html
    --> Just seems like an interesting site to me...

    I would have searched those 2 first sites myself here on this forum, but the search function doesn't work somehow. (It did work when I became a member here, I think about a month ago)

    Thanks for helping me out, guys. (Thanks for the info here on Matt Furey, luckily I only just downloaded his book illegaly, instead of buying it)
    Cheers
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    Posted On:
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    They are not BS if done correctly. I'm switching to an almost BW-only routine during weekdays, leaving only front squats, barbell rows, leg curls/extensions, chin ups and lunges on Sats and Sundays. On weekdays/weeknights, my main exercises are burbees and one-hand push ups (or jumping push ups, whichever I feel like doing).

    Things like burpees and jumping/clasping push ups when done to failure are murder and make your heart almost jump out of your throat. In fact, jumping push ups (and specially star jumping push ups) hit my chest far better than bench presses without killing my shoulders.

    This is one type of push ups I do (without the ball though, http://youtube.com/watch?v=U4YevblOsUU)

    For legs, pistols are a bitch as well.

    The key is to be warmed up properly and then push yourself to do the exercises - within reason of course, but the ideal is to do them to failure. I see people doing only 10 clasping push ups, then take 5 minute breaks, do another set of 10 and then move to something else. And then they wonder if BW exercises are BS or not.

    The only tricky part is working on your back and biceps. The only way to work them out (bodyweight style) is via chin ups/pull ups. For all other body parts, I seriously believe they can be hit really hard with BW alone. ****, I'm becoming addictive to BW.
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    Posted On:
    1/24/2007 4:33pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by El Macho
    They are not BS if done correctly. I'm switching to an almost BW-only routine during weekdays, leaving only front squats, barbell rows, leg curls/extensions, chin ups and lunges on Sats and Sundays. On weekdays/weeknights, my main exercises are burbees and one-hand push ups (or jumping push ups, whichever I feel like doing).

    Things like burpees and jumping/clasping push ups when done to failure are murder and make your heart almost jump out of your throat. In fact, jumping push ups (and specially star jumping push ups) hit my chest far better than bench presses without killing my shoulders.

    This is one type of push ups I do (without the ball though, http://youtube.com/watch?v=U4YevblOsUU)

    For legs, pistols are a bitch as well.

    The key is to be warmed up properly and then push yourself to do the exercises - within reason of course, but the ideal is to do them to failure. I see people doing only 10 clasping push ups, then take 5 minute breaks, do another set of 10 and then move to something else. And then they wonder if BW exercises are BS or not.

    The only tricky part is working on your back and biceps. The only way to work them out (bodyweight style) is via chin ups/pull ups. For all other body parts, I seriously believe they can be hit really hard with BW alone. ****, I'm becoming addictive to BW.
    Pushing yourself is good, but I don't think training to failure is the ideal, nor even necessary. I'm typing 'from the hip' on this though so my memory may be off. (For that matter, I bet you could find compelling arguments on both sides of the fence.)

    Instead, try doing a given number "for time" (as fast as possible with as much rest as needed). For example: Start a stop watch, do 150 burpees (partitioned with as much rest as is needed), stop the stop watch at the end.

    Gradually, you should be able to improve both the numbers performed in each 'set' with lest ress and an overall speedier time.

    I think this work more efficiently than going to failure -- which, in most of my recent readings -- generally seems to be ill-regarded by professional coaches.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    Maybe some day with body weight exercises you all can have a body like mine =p.
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    Posted On:
    1/24/2007 4:48pm

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    You just have to have a big fat body so you get the most from your bodyweight workouts.
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    MUAHAHAHAHAHA! So as we lose weight, we decrease the resistance and increase the reps :tongue3:

    I'm becoming quite addicted to BW workouts. Just FYI, I bought Rhadi Ferguson workout DVD a few days ago. Quite simple, seemingly unimpressive production. But they way he selected the BW exercises, it really becomes a bitch to do them.

    My favorite exercise from that DVD is the explosive star push up - first time I've ever seen it. I'm working out with my g/f tonight, and I'll ask her to film me while I do one set for you guys to see and critique.

    daGorilla, I hear ya. For me, I like to do them to failure or near failure as it gives me some sort of mental accomplishment. Another way I do them is by having sets of a fixed number of reps and do many of them.

    For example, I usually follow up front squats with push ups. I keep the set of push ups to 40 reps. As soon as I finish a set of squats, I drop and do 40. And immediately I go back to the squat rack.

    After a few of those, doing 40 push ups become a set done to failure. By the end, I can only do 25, after which I have to pause for a few secs and push myself until I get 40.

    Front squats are perhaps the only non-BW I will never replace. They are too good to abandon.
    Last edited by Teh El Macho; 1/24/2007 5:07pm at .
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    Posted On:
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    One other thing to keep in mind about going to failure is that your mind will tell you you're out of gas before you actually are. It takes discipline to go past the point where you think you're at failure, and to actual failure, in my experience.
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    1/24/2007 5:12pm


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    Personally, I like burpees and jumping push ups. They feel like great conditioning exercises.

    This is one type of push ups I do (without the ball though, http://youtube.com/watch?v=U4YevblOsUU)
    Is there a benefit to having the push up be so shallow?
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    Wish I could pull it up somewhere. I think it was a Pride event where it was mentioned that the Carlos Newton's physique was all body weight exercises.
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