Kickboxing Conditioning...

**Diesel_tke** · Posted On: 2/03/2007 7:53am

Originally Posted by GIJoe6186

You think you can do everything you do with weights as you can with bodyweight. Thats cool. I didnt know you could simulate lifting 500lbs on your shoulders with only bodyweight. Thats cool though.

Weightlifting increases strength in ways that your sport training cant. If you think weightlifting is obsolete, your living in the stone age.

Its not about one over the other, its about using them all.

Mabey I am living in the stone age then again mabey I haven't been brainwashed by all the weightlifting magazines that think you need their gym equipment and supliments to work out. I never said that you could simulate lifting 500lbs by using bodywieght. I said that most people who can powerlift 500lb couldn't do 100 body squats. Which one is more relivent to fighting. Obviously the bodysquats. Unless you are planning on fighting a 500lb person and he ended up on your sholders, equaly balanced on both sides, and you want to lift him one time, while having your knees rapped up, a weight belt on, and a spotter. Now Imay be living in the stone age but I know what sport specific training is. I wish you the best with you powerlifting. Teach all your friends about its benifits. Mabey one day my team and your home boys can meat in the cage and you can see if you can deadlift my while you are in my triangle taking blows to the head. 1..2..3..lift.

**GIJoe6186** · Posted On: 2/03/2007 10:49am

Ok now oyur just being an idiot.

We dont say powerlifting is the best or end all in trainig. Its just a neglected area is all. If you had to choose between only a 500lb squat or 100 bodyweight squats, Id take the bodywweight squats. But I do both.

Squats build power throughoutt he entire body. Use weights and do low reps, use bodyweight and do high reps.

Brainwashed by musle mags. Now your just pretending to hear what you want, or read actually. Powerlifting is a sport in itself. You can use its training though to get stronger. I lift without a belt, without wraps and limited suppliments (protein and creatine).
Maybe your just brainwashed by the counter culture of bodyweight or no weight!

Why cant you do both? Just wondering what your reasoning is behind thinking a man who can do 100 bodyweight squats is in better shape then a man who can do 100 bodyweight squats as well as a 500lb single.

You wanna talk specifity? Look at guys at Renzos school in the city. They put a bar on the low pin of a rack and "shoot in" and pick it up, like a zercher squat, just like they would a person. So thats ok, but when they simply do regular squats, thats bad? Remembering that regular squats would help their Zercher, but that doesnt matter I guess.

People have put me in omoplatas and Ive deadlifted out of them. He used perfect technique, I couldnt roll out either way, so I just took a big breath and stood straight up, deadlifted him off the floor. It was a purple doing that to me, a new blue, so he knew what he was doing. Go ahead master your own bodyweight, but when you take someone down, its yours plus theirs.

So Ill keep doing bodyweight and weighted training, you only do one and tell me that makes you better. Ok, thats awesome.

**LI GUY 1** · Posted On: 2/04/2007 1:33am

Flash: when the weather gets warmer I do want to start using a keg and sandbag. If I have enough money I want a pulling harnes too for car/sled dragging for fun.

**LI GUY 1** · Posted On: 2/04/2007 1:34am

I would imagine you just clean, squat, press, and just move it any way you can think of? The sandbags and keg I mean.

**Flash Jackson** · Posted On: 2/04/2007 1:41am

It starts on the ground, and goes to one shoulder, chest, hip or overhead, but like all objects, it starts on the ground. If you want to get started indoors and you've got a bigger size wallet I'd start here www.sandbagstrength.com and http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/budget.html

Good luck, and always train how you fight.

BTW, I just want to clarify, I have virtually no striking instruction, so my at least with my striking game, I can't fight my way out of a wet paper bag, so who wants to grapple with me?

**LI GUY 1** · Posted On: 2/04/2007 2:33am

Unless your a hot naked chick I have no desire to grapple with you, your not from NY are you?

**CMack11** · Posted On: 2/04/2007 1:31pm

If you disagree then you don't know Jiu jitsu. Look at everyone the gracies have beet. If they didn't prove this point then you can't be convenced... Weight training is a waste of time.

If it's such a waste of time, why do a lot of top fighters still lift weights? And I'm pretty sure a good number of Gracies do lift.

**pox** · Posted On: 2/06/2007 9:26am

Originally Posted by Flash Jackson

BTW, I just want to clarify, I have virtually no striking instruction,

why are you giving advice on kickboxing conditioning again?

**Flash Jackson** · Posted On: 2/07/2007 12:22am

Because I know how to train, dipshit. That's the kinda info you get by hanging around Ross's site and signing up for teleseminar calls with peeps like Joe Vitale, Jason C. Brown, Josh Henkins, and Zach Evan-Esh. Just because I'm part of the Underground and your not doesn't mean you gotta dis.

Edit: And plus conditioning is conditioning. It's easy to go from normal conditioning knowledge to that of sport specifics. Especially if you follow Ross.

**HackingYodel** · Posted On: 2/07/2007 1:18am

Originally Posted by CMack11

If it's such a waste of time, why do a lot of top fighters still lift weights? And I'm pretty sure a good number of Gracies do lift.

Yes they do. From a Royce interview here: http://www.fightingmaster.com/legend.../interview.htm

Gus: Do you use weights in your training?

Royce: Yes, I train with weights about 3 times a week.

I think the OP of the "Gracie no lift myth" has been baned but I wanted to get this info out for others.

How can lifting weights, as part of a total program, possibly hurt a martial artist?