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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex
    you say vanity like its a bad thing. you know what the opposite of vanity is? fat chicks.
    You know, I think you're getting funnier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdave
    Sorry, should have expanded a bit... I meant that rather than eating broiled chicken breast 6 times a day, you could eat a ribeye, or a porkchop, or a bucket of KFC and the additional fat would just trickle out of your pooper-chute, like it was a George Forman grill.
    Poetic, but disturbing. Gonna go puke now, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex
    you say vanity like its a bad thing. you know what the opposite of vanity is? fat chicks.
    Not always.

    And that's why they invented beer.

    [insert old joke about fat chicks and motor scooters here]

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYoung
    My position is also influenced by my suspicion that prescription drugs for weight loss are a huge industry in the US (I haven't got the figures ready to hand, but I think they're huge - ironically).
    The most popular and effective prescription weight loss drugs are now available as generics and prices are lower than many OTC supplements. The business of selling useless OTC crap to fat, lazy and stupid people is the REALLY huge industry here in the US.

    With the possible exception of some (potential though minor) fat-soluble vitamin deficiency, Xenical (orlistat) is REMARKABLY safe, and very effective.

    Phentermine is empirically safer than ephedra and FAR more effective.

    Is your problem specifically with prescription drugs? Would you take issue if people wasted money on less effective, more dangerous and more expensive "supplements" instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by DAYoung
    Perhaps I associate the need for enhanced fat loss as somehow a mix of pathological vanity, self-manipulation (of a mechanical kind) and the commercial creation of false needs.
    Even if fat people didn't have a plethora of health issues to deal with (notably, the ever looming spectre of a surgeon sawing off their foot) there's the fundamental fact that some people just don't want to be FAT.

    If you think that lean people are mean and suck and that fat people should be left alone and not have their feelings hurt, then you might consider that people who WANT to loose weight have feelings too, and that calling them vain or shallow is pretty fucking rude, perhaps a tad hypocritical, and worst of all very discouraging. Rather than being chastised for trying to improve themselves and shamed into being content with obesity, they should be encouraged to work toward achieving their goals.

    It's hard enough for some people to even admit that they care about their weight because once they do then they're even more vulnerable to criticism. Telling them that they're WRONG for being concerned is just ass-hattery of the highest order.

    Also, for what it's worth, Kat has an excellent reason, far beyond vanity, to loose weight. She consistently laments the small pool of opponents available to her at her current weight. Dropping several pounds could be quite a boon to her career.
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    That is exactly what I meant sdave. You are dead on, as usual.

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    if everyone was as vain as i am there wouldnt be an obesity problem

    agree with dave though, its sad how people can be looked down at for caring about their weight. its a health issue. would you look down at someone who wanted to get their STD cleaned up?

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    I just want to fight lighter girls is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaTrocity
    I just want to fight lighter girls is all.
    Didn't I just say that?

    [checks English - Jawjah dictionary]

    Yup.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaTrocity
    ...I...exercise a buttload already
    Just to satisfy the "drugs are bad, m'kay?" crowd, could you give us an idea of what kind of training you've been doing lately? Weights, cardio, gr4ppl3, stand-up, etc?
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    That is exactly what I meant sdave. You are dead on, as usual.

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    sdave, I would +rep you for that post if I could. Check your pm when you get a chance, I got a question for ya.
    Alex, I would +rep you, too... and put on a shirt, for the love of God!!!!

    Kat, how much weight are planning to lose, and how soon????? Just curious.
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    I'd like to ask; I've seen the goddamn TV ads, Is 'Relacore' shite or not?

    I'm reading this right now: http://stress-related-weight-gain.eq...nutrition.com/

    Anyone had any experience with CortiDrene?
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    Normally people who ask me this don't go to the gym. The standard response is that you should weight train, do some HIIT, and watch what you're eating. However, I don't think this is going to work for you- you do interval training every time you train. Are you lifting now? If so, you should consider how you're lifting.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaTrocity
    I just want to fight lighter girls is all.
    I've used two suppliments personally- the old-school, ephedra-based Hydroxycut, and Biotest's new HotRox Extreme (the raspberry one). Both work very well, but you have to use them in conjunction with a very clean diet. How many times a day do you eat? How many calories? How much protein? If you're not sure about any of this stuff, you should look at what you're eating because that will probably make a more substantial change. I don't know about perscription suppliments, but I had success with the two OTC supps above.

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