2/01/2007 2:19am, #91
The primary point here at bullshido as regards to instructors is usually this:
Are you teaching something that neither YOU nor YOUR STUDENTS has ever proven to be effective by matching it against a determined and resisting opponent? If so are you CLAIMING that what you are teaching will be useful against that type of opponent. We normally request/require video evidence or other third party documentation if you claim to have proven your skills or have had your students do so.
Doing THAT is what makes you Bullshido. So far I have NOT seen that from you. What I have seen is a very high rate for your classes. To me there is nothing inherently wrong with that. However I can tell you that I personally would get fed up very quickly with paying 200-300$ a month for instruction if I felt that I was learning ANYTHING that would not be effective against someone determined to bash my head in.
2/01/2007 3:07am, #92Originally Posted by StephenOliver
2/01/2007 3:22am, #93
- Join Date
- Jan 2007
- JKD BJJ JUDO MUY THAI
From everything I have seen. It looks like Mr. Olivers program has what you need to stay fit and fend off Joe Average attacking you but for 197.00 you can train with world class people. You could train at AKA in San Jose or ChuteBox in LA for 25 bucks more a month . For 250 you could train at legends. If you want to attend a Mcdojo find a cheaper one. If you are going to spend 200 a month you might as well get what you paid for and train with world class people.
2/01/2007 7:17am, #94Originally Posted by Kintanon
2/01/2007 8:13am, #95Originally Posted by StephenOliver
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2/01/2007 8:54am, #96
Umm, you are agreeing with me. As I said, he's not doing something that has not been proven, while claiming it has been. Which would be fraud.
2/01/2007 9:06am, #97Originally Posted by StephenOliver
....Well, ****, I took a second to re read the first post. Yeah Courage Bullshido and Mcdojo are two totally different things. I got pre occupied on the dislike I have for Oliver. I can't stand his demeanor or attitude, reminds me of a used car sales man.
On that note, listen guys if you don't believe what Oliver charges and you want proof, call his fucking ass. He'll tell you point blank. "Get a copy of a bill" indeed, no fucking need, he charges more and is proud of it. I have no problem if a guy charges more and people want to pay it what pisses me off is the blatant disregard of his students, he sees them only as means to an end. How rich can they get me, and he views other instructors this way too, how do you think he makes all that money. He uses the old scape goat "hey I only teach them to run a business not what they teach". Can you imagine a College, or a Trade School thinking the exact same way? What do we think of these schools? Laughable and that all this is. Is he doing anything wrong, technically no, morally yes. Compromise your scruples (how the heck do you spell that anyway?). This guys is the "I made money on realestate you can too..."....
Now I've got to go punch somebody....
2/01/2007 9:08am, #98
Omega, perhaps you can tell us what you specifically object to, in the marketing material Mr. Oliver sends to your school.
2/01/2007 9:20am, #99Originally Posted by spook2021
2/01/2007 9:22am, #100Originally Posted by Samuel Browning