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  1. Courage is offline

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    1/18/2007 4:50pm


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    Stephen Oliver's Million Dollar McDojo

    Stephen Oliver and his "Mile High Karate" franchise are clear cut bullshido. It's a wonder he's still around. His material consists of nothing but kata where the meanings are never analyzed and watered down, non-functional combinations from several different styles. Not to mention the outrageous fees ($300 - $1000 a month).
    As if this weren't enough, he obviously values the martial arts and his instructors very little as in the book
    Wealth Attraction for Entrepeneurs by Dan Kennedy where Oliver guest writes an "expert" essay:

    "In retrospect, my early success was almost completely due to recognizing that it was most important to become an excellent marketer of martial arts lessons, and least important to be a 'master of the martial arts'."

    Oliver also goes on to state the ease of hiring low wage, easily trained (as little as 6 weeks), and easily replaced instructors.

    I have seen what little there is on Oliver on the forums and thought it was time to really shed some light on this guy.
  2. datdamnmachine is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/18/2007 5:06pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    Stephen Oliver and his "Mile High Karate" franchise are clear cut bullshido. It's a wonder he's still around. His material consists of nothing but kata where the meanings are never analyzed and watered down, non-functional combinations from several different styles. Not to mention the outrageous fees ($300 - $1000 a month).
    As if this weren't enough, he obviously values the martial arts and his instructors very little as in the book
    Wealth Attraction for Entrepeneurs by Dan Kennedy where Oliver guest writes an "expert" essay:

    "In retrospect, my early success was almost completely due to recognizing that it was most important to become an excellent marketer of martial arts lessons, and least important to be a 'master of the martial arts'."

    Oliver also goes on to state the ease of hiring low wage, easily trained (as little as 6 weeks), and easily replaced instructors.

    I have seen what little there is on Oliver on the forums and thought it was time to really shed some light on this guy.
    Well most users will say this but I will be the first. If you are a former student, employee, lover, etc., then it is good to make a note of that first and foremost. The members here don't like to be used to help someone settle a personal grudge.

    Next for the book and the information contained. I haven't read it but now I'm curious. If anyone else here has read it or can get a copy that would be great. Also, if you could provide a link to the specific quotes in this book that would be just as awsome. It would be verifiable and concrete proof as to what his personal beliefs towards the martial arts, martial arts training, and running a school are. Concrete proof, always wins the day. It may not be enough for everyone, but if it helps one person to stay away from this guy and people like him then it's a job well done.
  3. Askari is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/18/2007 5:34pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Courage
    that it was most important to become an excellent marketer of martial arts lessons, and least important to be a 'master of the martial arts'.
    He's right. There are a lot of martial arts clubs that dont make ends meet, regardless of the ability of the instructor.

    Ever read anything about Rorion Gracie? He realized this as well and created the UFC as part of his marketing plan for Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.
    Quote Originally Posted by datdamnmachine
    The members here don't like to be used to help someone settle a personal grudge.
    Exactly, the whole story would definitely be worth having here.
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
  4. El-Wood is offline

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    1/19/2007 12:03am


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    sounds like a smart guy - never mind the mcdojoism
  5. Courage is offline

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    So no one has a problem with new students being trained to instructor level in 6 weeks?
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    Posted On:
    1/19/2007 12:12am

    hall of famestaff
     

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    How do you know this? Are you a former student or instructor of his? I ask because its relevant to the reliability of your information.
  7. Courage is offline

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    1/19/2007 12:16am


     Style: Tactical, Kempo

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    I was a student at one time until I realized the system has very little to do with self-defense and/or fighting.
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    Posted On:
    1/19/2007 12:17am

    hall of famestaff
     

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    Okay, do you have a link to the website for his school?
  9. Courage is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/19/2007 12:57am


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    ok.. thats pretty bad.... francise brochure for download
    it seems a "run your own karate school" pitch
    nowhere did i see a list of qualifications
    very little about the instructors bios to be found
    highly suspect, imho
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