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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    There's been a lot of controversy about this fight. Was Royce choked out? Was there a hidden agenda behind the ref stopping the fight when the rules prohibited him from doing so?

    Judge for yourself:

    Royce vs. Yoshida

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    NO HE WASN'T C-H-O-K-E-D OUT.
    NO HE DIDN'T T-A-P.
    THE REF IS AN A-H-O-L-E.

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Hmm... to be completely impartial, I could see how the ref could have seen that as having the choke fully applied... but normally they wait till the guy passes out, right? I say rematch, but nobody listens to me...

    <Me> John, what do you know about Zen Buddhism? <John> *smacks me*
    <John> I'd have to smack you sometime...
    Katana, on 540 kicks: "Hang from a ceiling fan with both hands. Flail your feet out and ask people to walk into you as you hit their face."

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    No, Royce did not tap, nor do I think he ever would have.

    Royce was obviously still conscious, as his forearms are still pointed upward by his voluntary muscular system.

    No, the match should not have been stopped. No tap, no choke out, etc.

    BUT...

    Royce's arms were beginning to relax, jerk, relax, and he wasn't using his arms to resist Yoshida just prior to the match stop. This would be indicative of Royce losing conciousness. I was under the impression that the choke was applied, and that it was just a matter of time before the lights went out.

    Additionally, Yoshida had Royce pinned down pretty well. I don't think Royce was going anywhere.

    Despite my incredible respect for Royce, and my desire for him to have totally kicked Yoshida's ass, I do think it is obvious that, had the ref not stopped that fight, Royce would have lost consciousness, and the match, in a couple of moments. Unfortunately, we'll never know for sure, because the referee had to be an ass and break the prior-agreed-upon fight format.

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Just imagine what the rematch could be like... maybe the normal Pride rules? Well, I can dream, can't I?

    Oh please oh please oh please oh please...

    <Me> John, what do you know about Zen Buddhism? <John> *smacks me*
    <John> I'd have to smack you sometime...
    Katana, on 540 kicks: "Hang from a ceiling fan with both hands. Flail your feet out and ask people to walk into you as you hit their face."

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Whats up with these refs these days man!
    They all need to get weekly eye exams IMO!

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Stopped too soon! The outrage!!!

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Phenom,

    You are going to loose to Oscar this weekend. Oh wait, your not Fernando Vargas?

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    They should have waited for him to pass out but that being said Royce was going to lose anyway you look at it. He was done.

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    Michael
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Royce got ripped off but I had Yoshida up on points. heh. I would have loved to see him go night night.

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