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  1. gringokahn is offline

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     Style: BJJ, MMA, Judo, WTF TKD

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartA
    I am none of those things. Just someone who wants to better the art he does - no more, no less! You cant tell because you dont know me, ask others that do!

    Stuart
    If that is the case, then carry on my wayward son...

    Besides the low opinion any may have of the effectiveness of some of these "reborn" techniques/hyungs; I certainly can't really fault you for what you are trying to do.

    I only hope you continue to improve the training with correct aliveness and if you add other techniques from other arts; that you give them credit for that. That being said, I think you should try to get rank in maybe Judo/Yudo. If what you said about TKD pioneers is true, IMHO by doing that you will be living more true to their spirit.

    Even if you only take one class a week; you may not progress super-quick, but it can be done.
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     Style: TKD ITF, Judo

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman34
    I see your point here.

    However, I no longer get the impression he is teaching grappling by itself. It seems that he has "found" (for lack of a better word) that the pre Choi TKD, did have some throws , and locks in it. Whether this is true or not, I dont know. I will have to read the book.
    Pre Choi TKD??? The throws and locks are listed in Choi's Encyclopedia.

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  3. HonkyTonkMan is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues-man
    Pre Choi TKD??? The throws and locks are listed in Choi's Encyclopedia.

    When I say pre Choi TKD, I am refering to the time before TKD became a BS MA.

    Choi, popularized it to the point that it was watered down. So pre Choi means "unwatered"
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman34
    When I say pre Choi TKD, I am refering to the time before TKD became a BS MA.

    Choi, popularized it to the point that it was watered down. So pre Choi means "unwatered"
    Sorry dude, but depending on which Choi you're referring to that is either as recent as 4-5 years ago or some time in the spring of 1966.

    Why not take the easy route and point out that most of Choi's additions to TKD have either been traced to someone else or erroneously attributed to him?

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    Right, so, Upa, explain to me how I am not qualified to teach the complete curriculum of the art I was taught and certified in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKD Black Belt
    Sorry dude, but depending on which Choi you're referring to that is either as recent as 4-5 years ago or some time in the spring of 1966.

    Why not take the easy route and point out that most of Choi's additions to TKD have either been traced to someone else or erroneously attributed to him?

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    I didnt think I had too. I took it for granted that everyone here knew this already.

    1966 version of Choi.
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     Style: Ch'ang Hon Taekwon-do

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman34
    I am not saying that he is. He hasnt clarified that yet. It would make a bit of difference to me.
    Yes I did, like I said, we learnt stuff as part of TKD anyway, but I have trained with enough grapplers to get them better. Im not saying I can throw like a top judoka, but they work fine and I know the intrices of them to help others learn them, as well as utilizing some training drills I learnt for them to good effect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gringokahn
    If that is the case, then carry on my wayward son...
    Why thank you, I think I will! :new_smile

    Besides the low opinion any may have of the effectiveness of some of these "reborn" techniques/hyungs; I certainly can't really fault you for what you are trying to do.
    Thnak you, like Ive said over and over, Im not trying to convert anyone, just maake what people are doing already a little more realistic. Besides the patterns apps of the book, theres a whole lot more in there, including some not so subtle hints on other aspects of training and how unrealistic some perfrom it!

    I only hope you continue to improve the training with correct aliveness
    Oh I do. I didnt wanna say this when this thread started as it was kinda fun seeing it go back and forth but we have a MMA instructor coming down soon (a friend of mine) to improve some of our stuff further!

    and if you add other techniques from other arts; that you give them credit for that.
    Always do!

    That being said, I think you should try to get rank in maybe Judo/Yudo. If what you said about TKD pioneers is true, IMHO by doing that you will be living more true to their spirit.
    Im not really about trying to capture their spirt TBH - I have my own spirit hopefully - its just about improving what we do!

    Even if you only take one class a week; you may not progress super-quick, but it can be done.
    Easier said than done, I teach Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays & Saturdays, train Tuesdays , and spend time with the kids on Thursdays (main homework night) & the weekend if a comp or something isnt on (I have 4 kids - one with DS and one just born) whilst training at home too - time isnt an ally of mine Im afraid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StuartA
    Yes I did, like I said, we learnt stuff as part of TKD anyway, but I have trained with enough grapplers to get them better. Im not saying I can throw like a top judoka, but they work fine and I know the intrices of them to help others learnt them, as well as utilizing some training drills I learnt for them to good effect!

    Stuart

    Thats pretty much what I was saying. You arent a top grappler/Judo player, but you have had enough training in each to say...wait a minute...that looks like one of the taegyuk. You went from there. Like I said...you get the benefit of the doubt until I read the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman34
    Thats pretty much what I was saying. You arent a top grappler/Judo player, but you have had enough training in each to say...wait a minute...that looks like one of the taegyuk. You went from there. Like I said...you get the benefit of the doubt until I read the book.
    I know but you asked for clarification! Though TBH I did a bit more research and study than simply noticing things with a lightbulb above my head! :qshatter:

    Have you ordered a copy of the book yet btw?


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