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I should do a stretching article, but nobody would take it seriously because everything I learned, I learned from a PT during a ballet workshop.
But what I did learn was that you should do light stretching, then warm-up, do your workout and then in the middle stretch. This is the best time to stretch. Then complete your workout and then stretch again.
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Back in HS, a friend of mine joined the gymnastics team. After 4 weeks of training he was able to do side splits, but he told me he was told exactly the same thing.
Originally Posted by Judah Maccabee
In my case, I need to stretch my hamstrings everyday. If I don't, they cramp up and it's a bitch to be able to re-stretch them again. Really, it's fucked up. But I work sitting in front of a PC the whole day, so that must be a factor.
That sounds about right. Sirc, do you really do ballet?????
Originally Posted by Sirc
I don't quite buy Tsatsouline's theory. Yes, there is a mental aspect that precludes people from stretching beyond what they are accostumed. But tendons and ligaments are no figments of the imagination either.
Muscles don't stretch. Ligaments do, and they need to be gradually and intelligently conditioned to increase the lenght by which they can stretch before snapping. This requires mental discipline, and here is where I buy Tsatsouline's mental argument.
But anyone who buys that argument without taking into consideration that ligaments must be conditioned is just begging for a groin pull.
I have Tsatsouline's book as well. It's interesting read, but none of his exercises are ground breaking. Nothing that cannot be figured out by working out or going to a MA class.Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.
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If you warmup then do a session of stretches with deep stretches you basically stretch your muscles out further than they normal go. To maintain them at this extra length or whatever you wanna call if you do need to stretch rather frequently and aim to get a little further - even if just by a milimeter - each time. Eventually your body gets used to that muscle length so in general you are more flexible while being capable of doing the splits.
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And what in Baal's name are YOU talking about?Muscles don't stretch. Ligaments do, and they need to be gradually and intelligently conditioned to increase the lenght by which they can stretch before snapping. This requires mental discipline, and here is where I buy Tsatsouline's mental argument. -
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Gaah!!! I just noticed a typo on what I first typed.
Originally Posted by Kein Haar
I meant I do not buy Tsatsouline's argument that it's just the nervous system that stops us from stretching. When muscles are relaxed, it is the ligaments, not muscles, that determine how much we can stretch. It is then the ligaments that need to be conditioned to increase the lenght by which they can be stretched.
Another thing: I can't quote Tsatsouline's book by memory, but I remember correctly that he says it's not necessary to warm up before stretching. Yes, warming up is not needed for light stretches. But for the type of stretching his books claims to teach, Jesus, that's a sure recipe for a groin pull.Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.
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Tsat claims that you do isometric exercise of the muscle as the only warmup:I can't quote Tsatsouline's book by memory, but I remember correctly that he says it's not necessary to warm up before stretching. Yes, warming up is not needed for light stretches. But for the type of stretching his books claims to teach, Jesus, that's a sure recipe for a groin pull
(I think) This is kind of similar to the PNF principle that you contract a muscle prior to stretching it so that you stretch the muscle as the "relax" reflex is occurring."Muscles should not be forced into any stretched position unless they have been
previously warmed up through pre-loading," warned East German specialists J.
Hartmann and H. Tunnemann. This may be a bit paranoid, but an isometric
contraction held for up to a minute indeed brings in a pool of relaxing blood
into the muscle. You do not need to do any special warm-ups; they are a total
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