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    Strength and BJJ

    Ok I had a question in my mind.

    Can BJJ really overcome a larger and stronger opponent no matter what your own size is?

    Lets say a skinny guy about 5'4 who was about 150 lbs (with no muscle) took on a 250 lb guy of pure muscle who's about 6 ft. Now lets assume the big guy is a straight up brawler, while the skinny guy is average in BJJ (lets say he's right below middle rank). Would he win? What if we had the same situation but the BJJer was that of an overweight person with no muscle?

    Like if we gave body frames, lets say the BJJ guy had a body frame of Orlando Bloom. While the muscular guy had the body of Bob Sapp or Kimbo Slice.

    Because, if a skinny guy did go up against a pure muscular person would he have the strength to get the guy to the floor? If he did could he he get the arm bar? If he got the armbar, would the muscular guy be able to use his strength to actually pull out of it?? Or what if a choke was locked in? Could the muscular guy's strength be strong enough to pry the arms from his neck? (Same scenario with an overweight person)

    Just curious =P

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    Another 'what if' thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dmasterman
    Can BJJ really overcome a larger and stronger opponent no matter what your own size is?
    The short answer is no. The greater the disparity in mass and strength, the more skill required to overcome the difference. So Leo Veira or Marcelo Garcia (small guys with amazing abilities) could probably kick your hypothetical brawler's ass, but an average blue belt? Probably not.

    This kind of thread has no relation to reality because there are too many variables. Define "average in BJJ (lets say he's right below middle rank)". Average can mean many different things to different people. What's middle rank in your opinion?

    I could go on and on with the questions, but what I'm trying to say is it depends on the individuals skillsets, size and strength difference and the rules of engagement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmasterman
    Can BJJ really overcome a larger and stronger opponent no matter what your own size is?
    No.

    BJJ is a great equalizer, one of the best martial arts in one on one situations... but it doesn't make you invincible. An average BJJ player would have trouble in the situations you describe.

    A great BJJ player is another matter however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmasterman
    Lets say a skinny guy about 5'4 who was about 150 lbs (with no muscle) took on a 250 lb guy of pure muscle who's about 6 ft.
    5'4 at 150lbs isnt exactly skinny, look at 'Kid' Yamamoto. With no muscle someone at 5'4 would weigh about 115lbs.

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    If the other guy is untrained and the BJJ guy is skilled, possibly - Royce vs Severn shows it CAN be done.

    But for general life? I doubt it. That said, with that disparity few arts would lend themselves to a victory for the little guy, despite what armchair fighters might believe.

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