Taking the Back

**The Wastrel** · Posted On: 8/02/2003 10:58pm

FK is right. I like to get in that position and encourage people to roll me over, and then I go for this nasty neck-and-shoulder crank...don't know what it's called...

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**mikus** · Posted On: 8/02/2003 11:01pm

Hmmm. That sucks. I'm doing judo. Which I fucking love but I wish I could find a school that did more illegal moves.

I'm gonna fight, fight, fight, fight, fight and destruct the world.

**Pandinha** · Posted On: 8/03/2003 12:11am

Go for the kick in the ribs first to soften them up.

Once that's done, FK is correct. But so again is The Wastrel, and everyone else.

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**IndoChinese** · Posted On: 8/03/2003 12:35am

"I like to get in that position and encourage people to roll me over, and then I go for this nasty neck-and-shoulder crank...don't know what it's called..."

that's kata gatame, chokes him out with his own shoulder, the arm of which is flung overhead and immobiized. tough lock to escape cause of the flanking/half back position. that it? or no?

"Then jump to your feet, while keeping pressure on the back. Stomp the **** out of the back of their head. I like to do this one, but I just tap the back of the head to demonstrate the impending doom"

monkey style silat. very nasty. that's full contact. lol.

"The thing is that he's got about 100 pounds on me, and he's quite a bit stronger than me, added to the fact that he is particularly good at those wing locks."

he is to big, use your legs instead, or use a gi choke and hang off the side of his back like a leech. try wrapping your legs around one arm( grapevines?) and stretch him out( while choking).

do not go over the top of his center of gravity.

if must use your arms, and go on top, use the tech. that Wastrel mentioned. if it's the one i think it is...

dont 'square' up on the big guys in grappling. stay in the 'pockets' on the flanks, and use your feet and legs to attack along with your hands. it is better if you concentrate on one joint, like the ankle, or one limb, like the arm. you gotta be like a fucking barnacle. get behind and put your knees in his back on the spine between the shoulder blades, and throttle him.

peace.

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Edited by - kuntaokid on August 03 2003 00:38:08

**mikus** · Posted On: 8/03/2003 12:42am

How would you get someone in kata gatame after taking their back?

I'm thinking that coming at him from the front would work well. Getting an arm under his right arm and one arm under his face, and dropping my body weight and rolling him under. It's basically the same thing as one wing lock you can do from the bottom position, but you do it from the top.

I'm gonna fight, fight, fight, fight, fight and destruct the world.

**IndoChinese** · Posted On: 8/03/2003 1:03am

"How would you get someone in kata gatame after taking their back?"

its a noose,.... a constriction. go under one arm and over the neck. this works best when they try to roll, they lose certain leverage points. the arm, specifically the elbow, needs to be above the ear. squeeze the guy.

front,back,left,right....what's the difference?

peace.

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**willy** · Posted On: 8/03/2003 1:13am

when you are taking the back it is also very useful to roll the guy on to a side before attempting the choke...same postion for you but he loses the option of rolling you over head, even better is to roll on your back and "show him the lights"

I vote for Willy as current Fetish King!-dribble

**IndoChinese** · Posted On: 8/03/2003 1:19am

i agree.

willy has done this before.

peace.

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**Omar** · Posted On: 8/03/2003 1:10pm

I ran into something like this with a wrestler once. He just kind of turled up and I couldn't open him. The thing is, like Antony and Fisting pointed out, that's only a problem if it's grappling only. I wouldn't sweat it too much. If you got that position in an actualy fight, there's all kinds of places to give a beating to.

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**MMA_Phil** · Posted On: 8/03/2003 1:58pm

I nearly always go for arm locks if somebody is trying to take my back whilst I'm in the turtle. 90% of the time I at least manage to get them off of my back by doing this.

What you can do is instead of working for a choke, work both arms around their gut (normally quite easy to do) then gut wrench them onto their back (so you are underneath them). Then you can get your hooks in and go for the choke without the danger of the armlock.