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  1. Empty.Hands is offline

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    1/03/2007 10:28am


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    Pretty good knife defense

    I want to present this youtube video for your perusal of a knife defense as done by blacktaoist.com. I must say this is pretty realistic when compared to alot of other knife defense videos I have seen lately. It's hard, gritty, and it's chock full of Matt Thornton's daily recommended dose of vitamin "Aliveness". I am curious as to what you think. The guy in the video typically does Baguazhang, but IMO all that style bullshit goes out the window when needing to defend yourself against a knife.

    Anyway here is the link.. (can someone tell me how to embed videos in posts I completely forgot)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-uH93EQzKs

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  2. Matt Bernius is offline

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    Not bad. Reminiscent of some concepts from the STAB approach. Didn't particularly like that the defender stayed "in front" of the knife so much (especially in the second clip). Also I really couldn't tell what was happening in clip 3.

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    Posted On:
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    My $2.22 (adjusted for inflation) on the first scenario: Stabbing a disarmed and controlled attacker multiple times after the attacker has stopped fighting back is not defense. It is offense. Voluntary manslaughter is not a particularly good idea to suggest as an "effective" knife defense.

    Aside from that, I'd say nice demos.
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    At 0155 it looks as though he got hit in the chest with the first example so that's pretty much game over there, the second the knife's at his throat resistance at that point seems kind of futile and the third he's under his attacker it'd be pretty hard to fight anyone off at that point but he's in a stairwell it's not going to be easy in such a closed in environment regardless probably better to comply with demands.
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    They look3d like overhead stabs. Most attacks would be wait high thrust, so that it is hard to see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by markcos262
    At 0155 it looks as though he got hit in the chest with the first example so that's pretty much game over there
    Never assume game is over until someone's down. A stab to the chest (especially a glancing blow) depending on knife won't kill you.
    Quote Originally Posted by markcos262
    He's in a stairwell it's not going to be easy in such a closed in environment regardless probably better to comply with demands.
    That was something I really liked about these. There was little presentation of the weapon. In most cases the knife was deployed as part of the attack, itself a "surprise shakedown" rather than used as a threat. What this emphasizes is that nothing is certain or pretty.

    As far as compliance, once the knife is at the neck, especially in that environment, the assumption is that it is going to be used. At that point, the fact is that you're already dead, but you can hopefully fight your way back to the realm of the living.

    If the knife was presented, but not yet used, there's more of an opportunity for compliance.

    Quote Originally Posted by sempaiman
    They look3d like overhead stabs. Most attacks would be wait high thrust, so that it is hard to see...
    While the lack of at least one defense against a waist high thrust is an issue, I think suggesting that most attacks would be X is a little bit of a presumption. The best thing to assume is nothing and prepare for everything.


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     Style: Hung Ga Kung Fu

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    It's a good demo, but there is a lot of "aliveness" left out of it. How many times was the defender cut or stabbed during this demo?
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    1/03/2007 1:33pm


     Style: Hung Ga Kung Fu

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    "Never assume game is over until someone's down. A stab to the chest (especially a glancing blow) depending on knife won't kill you"

    But, it will distract the hell out of you. Maybe even convince the defender to stop advancing? Could be.
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