Vegan/Vegitarian athletes and martial artists

**RunningDog** · Posted On: 12/30/2006 6:46pm

Originally Posted by Tony "I'm a fucking geek" the Zebra

I was sooo tempted to mark in huge and colourful letters the words No. 20-25 in your quoted posting, just for the fun of it, but I decided not to. It wouldn't be nice. And I'm still nice, even after weeks here.
Tonuzaba

You really are a geek. Not content to keep your geeky chun-ness to yourself, you are infecting others. I actually just counted through the words in my post, and miraculously lost 10kg, receded a little and sprouted glasses, and aquired an interest in javascript. Please stop posting.

**RunningDog** · Posted On: 12/30/2006 6:55pm

Originally Posted by Mr. Jones

What type of plant has so much protein it can replace meat?

Nearly all food contains protein. Potatoes contain protein. I'm not veggie, but the 'You need protein so you must eat meat' argument is just uneducated and dumb. You don't need meat at all, even elite athletes do just fine without.

The best argument against ME being a vegetarian is that I like meat, and I don't care that much if an animal has to die for my pleasure.

**Mr. Jones** · Posted On: 12/30/2006 6:59pm

Whatever vegetarians say they're still missing out.

**DAYoung** · Posted On: 12/30/2006 7:02pm

Originally Posted by RunningDog

The best argument against ME being a vegetarian is that I like meat, and I don't care that much if an animal has to die for my pleasure.

Exactly.

I eat fish because I care less about them than I do about my health. But before I was injured, I didn't need them. Not I do. AND I LOVE IT.

And I don't care much about bees, either. They're lovely, but I don't see them as being put out by honey-production all that much. Of course, they do have environmental impacts...

**DAYoung** · Posted On: 12/30/2006 7:02pm

Originally Posted by Mr. Jones

Whatever vegetarians say they're still missing out.

Groan.

**RunningDog** · Posted On: 12/30/2006 7:07pm

Originally Posted by kracker

The way I look at the moral thing is that the animal is already dead you didnt kill it (unless your a deer hunter) and eating it only ensures the animal doesnt go to waste.

You paid to have it killed, dumbass.

**Godhand** · Posted On: 12/30/2006 11:42pm

Im not going to go into any depth on this, because so many have already expressed that they dont want to hear it, but in response to this:

"The best argument against ME being a vegetarian is that I like meat, and I don't care that much if an animal has to die for my pleasure."

It doesnt really hold up as a moral argument, because there is nothing that prevents that same reasoning being applied to any other form of descrimination, e.g. racism and slavery.

for example:

"The best argument against me being pro-racial equality is that society would fall apart without slaves to work the feilds. It is an unfortunate social nessecity that we enslave black people" - This is an excuse that was used ALOT in relation to slavery in America.

No argument (to my mind at least) can justify what is essentially needless suffering produced by the meat industry.

Intelligence cannot be used as a form of descrimination, as Im pretty sure the majority of you would find it wrong to consider eating retards or babies - or any human, under almost any circumstances.

To quote Jeremy Bentham: "The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But, can they suffer?"

It shouldnt be a matter of justifying why a person is vegetarian/vegan, but everyone else justifying the needless suffering of animals.

**Edit**

That wasnt supposed to sound so preachy, but people were asking, and this was the most direct response I could give.

**Mr. Jones** · Posted On: 12/31/2006 12:45am

Don't worry Godhand. They don't understand that as a transdemensional demon from the netherworld you feed on human souls instead.
http://www.satyrnet.it/berserk/13.bmp

**RunningDog** · Posted On: 12/31/2006 12:54am

Originally Posted by Godhand

Im not going to go into any depth on this, because so many have already expressed that they dont want to hear it, but in response to this:

"The best argument against ME being a vegetarian is that I like meat, and I don't care that much if an animal has to die for my pleasure."

It doesnt really hold up as a moral argument, because there is nothing that prevents that same reasoning being applied to any other form of descrimination, e.g. racism and slavery.

It isn't a moral argument. It's an argument against anyone who's trying to persuade me to be a vegetarian. You can't win it, because whatever you say, I still think it's fine to kill animals for food.
The rest of your arguments are pointless, because I just don't think killing animals is the same as killing people, and you cannot convince me otherwise.

**DAYoung** · Posted On: 12/31/2006 1:00am

You're fundamentally right (about what it takes to be persuaded).

I would add, though, that I don't see any moral problem in killing animals either - even though I was a vegan.

My problem wasn't with meat (which I like), or death (which I'm willing to cause), but unnecessary suffering on an large scale.