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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex
    besides, you guys kill plants. **** sometimes you eat them WHILE THEY ARE ALIVE. thats just sick.
    Yeah, I had a friend who was a vegetarian, not because of his love for animals...but his INTENSE HATRED OF PLANTS! Weird guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist
    i have a simple rule about what i eat: if i'm comfortable with the process it goes through before getting eaten, and i like the taste, i'll eat it.


    so i have killed mammals and didn't like it much - just a gut feeling, not going to explain or justify it

    i'm comfortable with fishing, and gutting and preparing the fish, so i eat fish.

    i have worked on a farm, raised chickens and collected the eggs, etc, so i know that i have no desire to kill a chicken and eat it, but have no problem eating the eggs.
    That's a good way to decide what to eat if really. If you're happy killing it, then eat it.
    I know I should kill myself some pigs, cows and sheep to check how I really feel about it, but opportunities to do that don't crop up too often for us city-folk.
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    ive hunted turkey, rabbit, possum, and pig. cant really see myself hunting cows because, well, theres not much point. never really had a problem killing stuff to eat it or because it damages the environment, although i abhor the idea of hunting for "trophies"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    Vegans are luddites.
    No.

    Human civilization happened once man domesticated animals to drink their milk and eat their meat.
    And a great many people killed and butchered their own meat. This isn't the case now. This is fine in principle (specialisation's needed for cicivlisation to progress), but there are some unintended and unnecessary consequences (just for the animals, not to mention the environmental consequences).

    Now, this isn't a matter of modern technology vs. premodern slaughter. It's a question of how much unnecessary suffering is involved. Killing animals isn't pleasant, but you can do it quickly, with an eye to how much pain and suffering is involved. At present, the goal isn't the minimisation of pain (or waste or ecological degradation) but the maximisation of profit. There's nothing wrong with people trying to feed their families, but there are better ways to raise and kill meat.
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    I had an Aikido teacher once who didn't eat meat for 20 years. He was a really nice old man. But he was nothing but skin and bones. Is it possible to gain muscle without eating the muscles of another living thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
    I had an Aikido teacher once who didn't eat meat for 20 years. He was a really nice old man. But he was nothing but skin and bones. Is it possible to gain muscle without eating the muscles of another living thing?
    No.

    But that living thing can be a plant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RunningDog
    That's a good way to decide what to eat if really. If you're happy killing it, then eat it.
    I know I should kill myself some pigs, cows and sheep to check how I really feel about it, but opportunities to do that don't crop up too often for us city-folk.
    I was sooo tempted to mark in huge and colourful letters the words No. 20-25 in your quoted posting, just for the fun of it, but I decided not to. It wouldn't be nice. And I'm still nice, even after weeks here. :toothy4:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex
    cant really see myself hunting cows because, well, theres not much point.
    Well, there are some who seem to see the point in it...
    http://www.ufodigest.com/gotmilk.html
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    What type of plant has so much protein it can replace meat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godhand
    Hey guys.
    Ive been vegitarian for two years (For moral reasons) , and have had no problems concerning energy levels or building muscle. In fact, I was in the best shape of anyone I knew.

    At this time, I trained 5 days a week for two hours a day in kickboxing, freestlye wrestling and Bjj.

    As of about a month ago, I stopped training (Im moving to a different country for a year) and I also became vegan. I did so cold turkey and Im still grappling with the dietary ajustments. Since then, Ive lost 4 kg of weight, which is a bad thing, putting me at 63 kg.

    Part of this weight loss can be attributed to loss of muscle since I stopped training, I am sure, but I think alot ofit has to do with my change in diet.

    I wanted to know if there were any other vegan or vego athletes out there who could share their experiences with training. The reason I specified athletes is because their needs are different to other martial artists who train purley for self defense.

    Being in great physical condition is a part of the sport.

    Thanking you in anticipation for your sincere input, and damming those trolls in advance.
    Out of curiosity what religion do you follow? I'm Buddhist myself but not serious enough to actually go through with vegetarianism. I tried it and it really didnt work for me but if it works for you great. The way I look at the moral thing is that the animal is already dead you didnt kill it (unless your a deer hunter) and eating it only ensures the animal doesnt go to waste.
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