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    Is it a simply coincidence or not; but I noticed that many of posters who nut ride aikido or to put it milder ... who had good things to say about aikido generally have red varrots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtua
    And out of Yoshinkan their is Sakurai Fumio who consulted the founder of Daido Juku and developed his new style called Shoot Aikido. A style with competitions, which claims it made Aikido work.
    Work for what exactly, this is often my point. Ueshiba in his later years infused his ideological mumbo-jumbo into what he have today however, Aikido has never, in my considered 20 year study, been a system for fighting in the street simply because it is born of koryu principles and foundations. Whilst the principles of awase and kuzushi are sound enough, the environment in which those principles are often studied is purely co-operative and untested. In essence aiki"do" is merely an untesed "jutsu" but with martial intent almost irradicated (because of the ideological baggage)
    There are many ambitions to make Aikido an effective art
    Add martial intent, pressure test it regularly and drop the fucking poncing about and it already becomes much more effective than it presently is. There's no reason to re-invent the wheel
    So would you suggest someone to learn Aikido without warning him about its limitations?
    As an instructor, if a new student says to me they want fast, effective self defence i point them in the direction of the gun shop however, if they don't express any particular desires from their training, Its not my place to push potential club members out the door simply because you or perhaps others think people should only study a particular format/art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAB MY WRIST
    Is it a simply coincidence or not; but I noticed that many of posters who nut ride aikido or to put it milder ... who had good things to say about aikido generally have red varrots?

    GMW.
    There aren't that many Aikido posters. Let's see I think it's only Shinshoryu, Dave, and Mr. Jones who have red varrots. You and DCS have green.
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    Varrots mean **** all anyway, gimme red the more the better.

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    Is that Ikeda dude known outside U.S.A?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
    Is that Ikeda dude known outside U.S.A?
    Hiroshi Ikeda founder of Boulder Aikikai ?... Nope never heard of the dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Humm
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    Work for what exactly, this is often my point. Ueshiba in his later years infused his ideological mumbo-jumbo into what he have today however, Aikido has never, in my considered 20 year study, been a system for fighting in the street simply because it is born of koryu principles and foundations. Whilst the principles of awase and kuzushi are sound enough, the environment in which those principles are often studied is purely co-operative and untested. In essence aiki"do" is merely an untesed "jutsu" but with martial intent almost irradicated (because of the ideological baggage)Add martial intent, pressure test it regularly and drop the fucking poncing about and it already becomes much more effective than it presently is. There's no reason to re-invent the wheelAs an instructor, if a new student says to me they want fast, effective self defence i point them in the direction of the gun shop however, if they don't express any particular desires from their training, Its not my place to push potential club members out the door simply because you or perhaps others think people should only study a particular format/art.
    Maybe it is not about reinventing the wheel, it is more about the ambition to do some reforms, because as we know there is a problem with the training method in most dojos.

    As an instructor you can make a change. I only have a shodan in Aikido so I only can help myself with crosstraining.

    I am lucky that I had a good Aikido instructor, but sometimes it is not only the problem of the instruction. In our small dojo there were only 3 blackbelt students who really trained with a serious attitude. The other showed up only occasionally, where tired from work and only want to dance around a bit. Maybe you can imagine how frustrating it is to train with someone who will nearly fall asleep when punching you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAB MY WRIST
    Is it a simply coincidence or not; but I noticed that many of posters who nut ride aikido or to put it milder ... who had good things to say about aikido generally have red varrots?

    GMW.
    We all get red varrots because we are delusional. I mean, isn't that how we started in Aikido in the first place (well that and because I just love how Shibata Sensei smashes uke with that I-don't-give-a-****-about-your-existence look in his face)???

    P.S. Watch out people, this conversation is already starting to dangerously approach the bear's trap, resist the temptation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtua
    I only have a shodan in Aikido ...
    You have a Shodan in Aikido and you don't even mention it on your style field!!!. Shame on you... Are you afraid of something???, come on, embrace the RED VARROTS CLUB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtua
    Maybe it is not about reinventing the wheel, it is more about the ambition to do some reforms, because as we know there is a problem with the training method in most dojos.
    I can't argue there are outdated training methods however aikido is as much a study of tradition as anything else; same with the iaido and kendo I study, doesn't mean that iaido or kendo are t3h d33dly because they aren't, the problem isn't to do with the art, but the fucking ridiculous claims some aikidoka make about their skills/applicability.
    As an instructor you can make a change. I only have a shodan in Aikido so I only can help myself with crosstraining.
    I've been cross training for years. Despite the fact that I'm affiliated to the aikikai in Japan (warts and all) my students study striking and kicking as part of their curriculum. Atemi is a big feature of my aikido however; that doesn't men I've strayed so widely off the "traditional" aikido path that what I do does not resemble orthodox aikido because I'd be lying if I said otherwise.
    I am lucky that I had a good Aikido instructor, but sometimes it is not only the problem of the instruction. In our small dojo there were only 3 blackbelt students who really trained with a serious attitude. The other showed up only occasionally, where tired from work and only want to dance around a bit. Maybe you can imagine how frustrating it is to train with someone who will nearly fall asleep when punching you.
    ...Welcome to being in a small club. I have a successful dojo consisting of no more than 15 members, three yudansha (including kendo) so club size isn't an issue providing people train with a degree of martial intent and travel to train with others throughout the year.

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