1/01/2007 1:38pm, #151
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Yes, Happo Giri, I guess Aikido wasn't for me because it made me feel childish doing Katas, and since 30% of time in the weekly classes went to Katas, and less on waza, it didn't balance out. Sword-Staff-Body, the "Riai" yes, I know the whole spiel, but it just didn't satisfy me anymore.
Accuracy, understanding, timing, kokyu (breathing), co-ordination, strength, posture, movement, discipline, awareness.
Can easily be achieved with a valid striking art such as boxing, MT, Kick-Boxing in probably less than 6 months to a year when compared to the time to really get your teeth into Aikido.
The only tangible difference between those attributes (above) applied to aikido and say MMA/BJJ et al, is the era from which those attributes were borne. For aikido those are drawn from an era when people did in fact carry swords, spears etc. See my earlier comments/posts about aikido having an identity crisis.
Sparring and Resistance should be at the root of any reasonable modern-day MA...
1/01/2007 1:50pm, #152
On the topic of aikido being religious or containing practices which are overly "ritual"
The founder of aikido was to my understanding a religious person but that isnít unique for a; An indigenous Japanese b; A devout budoka living in that particular era.
It would be very easy for me to point readers in several direction relating to classical and perhaps slightly more modern (still Japanese) martial arts where religious acts influence the study however; I do accept that aikido does seem to portray aspects of itself as a religious practice. But.. It is important to understand that aikido as an entity only becomes animate when people study it therefore; aikido can only be religious if its students wish it to be.
Within my dojo I have a kamiza, a small 'shrine' dedicated to the memory of Morihei Ueshiba, his son Kisshomaru and most recently, William Smith OBE. (The sadly recently deceased principal of the organisation to which I belong) The Kamiza its self does not represent any overt religious bias, it merely exists as part of the dojo to pay respects to the memory of people who are an integral part of (for me) Aikido.
There is a saying often quoted by the founder of aikido.. "Budo begins and ends with respect"; and with this simple philosophy in mind, a few Japanese social customs are an accepted part of a student's learning of a Japanese martial system.
At the beginning of class students should be given the opportunity of a few moments of silent contemplation, this is not meditation, Zen or any other esoteric practice, it is nothing more than gathering one's focus or concentration to the practice ahead, and an opportunity to forget the stresses of daily life [whatever those may be] this is known as mokuso . This lasts probably no more than 60-90 seconds in duration.
Following mokuso, the class performs a salutation to the kamiza and then to the instructor, this is nothing more than a sign of respect, indeed given that Japanese custom is to bow rather than shake hands, an un-assumed bow is perfectly legitimate and a polite way of showing a degree of respect for the environment IE the dojo and the to the person about to offer instruction.
I used the term "un-assumed" because its important to point out that if a student chooses to place more emphasis in what the act of bowing should actually represent to a western student, then that person is IMHO assuming far too much.
During the process of the bow toward the instructor, many aikido dojo observe the practice of saying onegaisimas. Many people understand that term to literally mean "please teach me" however this is not accurate. Understanding context is very important to understanding the meaning of particular Japanese phrases and statements; onegaishimas is no different. What it this phrase is more accurately used for is essentially when one is asking for someone else to do something for you, like a favour. Indeed I might preface a request to an absolute stranger with gomennasai onegaishimas... Nan-ji desu kaExcuse me | I'm sorry (as in to bother you), what time is it ? .
So in terms of onegaishimas said in the dojo, you are contextually asking for someone to teach/practice with you.
At the end of a class during the final bow, students may say domo arigato gozaimashita which is a very formal way of saying thank you very much, but, again contextually you are thanking the instructor and fellow students for training with you.
If those few customs/practices are seen as overly "ritual" I would have to disagree, study of Japanese arts involves an understandng of very basic Japanese customs."To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
1/01/2007 1:57pm, #153Originally Posted by Dave HummOriginally Posted by Sith_LordOriginally Posted by Sith_Lord
Dave"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
1/01/2007 4:23pm, #154
So, i spend 3 days in the "highlands" and what i see when i arrive?
An aikido thread that goes serious.... BS is losing edge :)
Dave (and others, of course), don't you think aikido's "identity crisis" is more related to a distorted/misunderstood view of aikido in the western world (and modern Japan) than to the art itself?
I found this article points to some interesting things about the subject.
Originally Posted by velomaster
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1/01/2007 5:17pm, #155
I have no idea where you find this stuff dcs. I'll have to read it sometime later today. Dcs is it true that Saito was considered weird for a Japanese teacher because he allowed people to ask questions?カンフー
1/01/2007 5:43pm, #156Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
So i suppose Saito's pedagogical method has been adopted by his students.
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1/01/2007 6:07pm, #157Originally Posted by DCS"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
1/01/2007 6:53pm, #158
Originally Posted by DCS
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1/01/2007 7:06pm, #159Originally Posted by Shinshoryu
You don't beleive it or you just don't subscribe to it?"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
1/01/2007 11:18pm, #160
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Happy new year to you. I have specific question wrt atemi in aikido.
Granted, I am a believer that atemi is crucial to aikido technique application. However my question is how do you train atemi with aliveness?
Do I need to start puching heavy bags? Cross train in boxing? Do I need to start whacking my uke? Granted this whacking of uke thingy is making me very unpopular among my aikido dojo mates.
There are some indirect methodology that my dojo mates are using to enhance/augment our striking capabilities. They are:
1) doing Kendo type drills i.e., using shinai to hit each other ala yokomen with full force. Tori hits, uke defend, then we reverse the role.
2) lots of ken/jo suburi. 200 cuts after every class.
In your opinion, are these good drills to enhance our atemi capabilities?