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  1. Iscariot is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    So, as my current instructor says, it's all kick, block, punch, and wrestle. Buddha developed kung fu, which spread disparately in different forms in South Asia, Korea, Okinawa, and Japan (and then to Brasil!). Samurai philosophy and sword technique joined along sometime afterward on parallel track, probably with some cross pollination. Early karate featured defeats of judokan and ju jitsu fighters. A tougher breed of Karate practitioners, perhaps. Now ju jitsu and muay thai fighters claim supremacy. Modern kung fu seems reduced to ballet. But it's an age old, meaningless debate. Styles are meaningless, as the individual dedication is key. I'll take Mas Oyama in his prime against any Gracie or MMA fighter on the planet in a bare knuckle, no holds barred, fight. There's probably a couple of monks from Shoalin in the past that would trash them all. Not to mention O Sensai or Yip Man. There's also a certain Greco Roman heavy weight champ from Russia that might just stomp the piss out of many of them. Who knows? I don't think the particular style would control the outcome.
    King Arthur would take apart everyone you mentioned!

    What? This thread is obviously 'Compare Famous Historical (Sometimes) Badasses' and King Arthur wins.


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    yip man vs cro cop ? my money is on the croation!
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    There is nothing to suggest that the Buddha developed Kung Fu and there is no link from China to Japan with regards to Jujutsu and the development of many of the Koryu arts.

    The openning poster is full of ****.

    Karate may have its roots in Chinese culture/influence but that is not the same for all of the arts.

    Mhall, read a book. For the love of God, research before you spout this bullshit.

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    Uhh... isn't the legend that Bodhidharma taught the lazy monks exercises that eventually became the basis for "Kung Fu"?

    Bodhidharma != Buddha. Jesus Pot-Bellied Christ.
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    Feador vs. o sensei LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoodedmonk
    Feador vs. o sensei LOL.
    He's called great teacher. Do I need to explain to you the difference between a fighter and a teacher? The man was barely 5ft tall for christ sake.
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    In short, you're wrong.

    Rules do dictate strategies, that's true. But dirty tricks will not allow a bad fighter beat a good one, they just mean the bad fighter will lose worse.

    Now there are certain styles that by virtue of their training philosophies consistently produce better fighters, as proven by the crucible of competition. So why shouldn't we trash the styles that are inefficient and ineffective, that are full of talk and short on action. That not only fail to produce decent competitors, but attempt to cover their inadequacies with talk of 'deadly moves' and 'dirty tricks'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    Invited to speak as a newbie, I'll speak. It's the person, not the style that wins.
    If this is true whats the point fo any form of Martial Arts trainning? The variation in trainning across styles is enormous, do you really think that they all result in either not improving ones fighting ability or they all ahve a uniform effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    One of the toughest martial artists I ever met was a sub-5-0' Iranian who trained shotokan. He was a brown belt when I knew him, but I'd take him in a brawl anytime, anywhere. Heart of friggin' lion, with one shot power that was scary. He told me his instructor had them throw straight kicks for hours until they fell down - nearly a 1000 a day. Needless to say, his front kick would bury you and it came very quick. I also used to do three point blocking with him and my arms shivered - and I was recruited Div. 1 as a wrestler and outweighed the little beast by 30 pounds.
    So? The guy was a badass before he did the karate trainning, he did it and was a bit more of a badass, how do you know he wouldn't be an even better fighter if he had trained in something else?


    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    So, as my current instructor says, it's all kick, block, punch, and wrestle. Buddha developed kung fu, which spread disparately in different forms in South Asia, Korea, Okinawa, and Japan (and then to Brasil!). Samurai philosophy and sword technique joined along sometime afterward on parallel track, probably with some cross pollination. Early karate featured defeats of judokan and ju jitsu fighters. A tougher breed of Karate practitioners, perhaps.
    Or possibly they trained in a better way back then?

    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    Now ju jitsu and muay thai fighters claim supremacy. Modern kung fu seems reduced to ballet.
    Plenty of Kung Fu guys who don't do ballet anymore but this really seems to contradict your next point:

    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    But it's an age old, meaningless debate. Styles are meaningless, as the individual dedication is key.
    It doesn't matter how dedicated you are if all your going to practice is ballet then all your going to get good at is ballet.

    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    I'll take Mas Oyama in his prime against any Gracie or MMA fighter on the planet in a bare knuckle, no holds barred, fight.
    What, that guy that travelled the world fighting challenge matches, had a 4th dan(I think) in Judo and advocated full contact sparring with minimal padding? Yeah, if you read a little more I think you'd realise that not a lot of people on the board would disagree to much with you there.

    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    There's probably a couple of monks from Shoalin in the past that would trash them all. Not to mention O Sensai or Yip Man. There's also a certain Greco Roman heavy weight champ from Russia that might just stomp the piss out of many of them. Who knows? I don't think the particular style would control the outcome.

    Anyway, you get my drift. Modern fighting rules favor styles. Muay Thai rules put gloves on karate fighters and boxers, whose best techniques utilize their hands, so they are left at a disadvantage to get pounded by lower leg techniques and knees, which are the center of the Muay Thai disclipline. I've never seen a Muay Thai fighter that could stand up to a truly good boxer, so put the pads on the shins and let the boxers have at it with only hard taped knuckles. See who wins. Also, wrestling is prohibited, so you can't simply trap and drag a Muay Thai fighter to the ground. MMA fights favor wrestlers and BBJ folks because the room to move is limited, and you can't strike the eyes, knees, or throat- and you can't bite, which is a wrestler's worst nightmare. Kyokushin is limited to the body (except for kicks, which can't go to the knees or the face), and you can't trap or wrestle. Even the closest of full contact styles, Vale Tudor, is limited because you can only pound on an ankle or a wrist, you can't bite through a wrist or an Achilles or stick your finger in an eye.
    So your saying that the style developed to work under a certain set of rules is the one that works best for that set if rules? Again not really that revolutionary, also the whole MMA favouring the wrestler/BJJ guy thing? Not held out so well if you look at the current champs in the UFC or pride.


    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    In the end, folks, we're all limited in the styles we practice by the fact that you simply cannot practice true to the end game of hard combat without causing severe injury or death. All of us, from whatever the style are taught, have technigues in the arsenal which cannot be used in sport. Saying that one style is better than another, without the implementation of all the angles of each is baloney. It's akin to saying I'll fight you with one hand behind my back.
    I'm curious about the analogy that you draw here, why is it akin to having one hand tied behnd your back?

    Quote Originally Posted by mhall
    Be serious. Like I said at the beginning, I'll take my little Iranian shotokan brown belt in a life or death street fight over 99% of the morons claiming supremacy of style on this site, any day - and I'll give you odds.
    Yes. This part is certainly very original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
    He's called great teacher. Do I need to explain to you the difference between a fighter and a teacher? The man was barely 5ft tall for christ sake.
    Do I need to explain to you the difference between a man who has kicked a 100 peoples asses and one who has just wrote books about it?
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    Amazing post filled with cliche'd misconceptions, but I will take this opportunity to point out that 3 point blocking is one of the most pointless drills. Right up their with 3 step sparring, 3 finger pushups, and other such assorted useless krotty stuff involving the number 3.
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