systema-spetznaz connection?

**kiai_killer** · Posted On: 12/24/2006 10:38am

Wow, spetznaz huh? I guess systema is teh deadly after all. Aren't they the guys that used remote-viewing units? In case you don't know what remote-viewing is, it's using psychics for recon, complete with magic crystals (lol).

**budoboy** · Posted On: 12/24/2006 11:51am

Different Valentin from Vlad's brother.

Jeff

**Cullion** · Posted On: 12/24/2006 1:56pm

Originally Posted by kiai_killer

Wow, spetznaz huh? I guess systema is teh deadly after all. Aren't they the guys that used remote-viewing units? In case you don't know what remote-viewing is, it's using psychics for recon, complete with magic crystals (lol).

Have you ever seen 'Dune' directed by David Lynch ?

If you have, then two words:

"Weirding Way".

Muadibh!

**kiai_killer** · Posted On: 12/24/2006 3:04pm

Is that the one with Sting in it?

**Cullion** · Posted On: 12/24/2006 3:08pm

Originally Posted by kiai_killer

Is that the one with Sting in it?

Yeah. And the big fat ginger bloke who wears a levitation suit.

**jonathan_sicari** · Posted On: 12/25/2006 3:37am

Personally, I feel that SciFi did a much better translation/screen adaptation.

Jonathan

**aderinaru** · Posted On: 12/25/2006 7:04pm

Well, Ryabko is not the only proponet of Systema, there is also Kadochnikov, both are linked to Russian Military. Kadochnikov´s link is:

http://kadochnikov.tih.ru/

**Tonuzaba** · Posted On: 12/26/2006 8:17am

Sambosteve, thanks for the translations. I don't really care for systema, but it just feels great to read sources and then discuss/bash/whatever, instead of just d/b/w without any factual information...
And I hope I don't disturb you ladies, but I'd just love to know the opinions of some of the better informed amongst you about the connection between Spetsnaz and the Noks knife manufacturing company. They claim to produce (mass-production version of) blades for the Spetsnaz/GRU units...
Tonuzaba

**budoboy** · Posted On: 12/26/2006 10:31am

Kadachnikov Systema is a different style from Ryabko/Vasiliev Systema. Both use the name Systema however they are different. Ryabko and Kadachnikov know each other in a professional sense but there is no connection between their organizations.

I believe Ryabko/Vasiliev Systema has been influenced by Kadachnikov Systema however as I think the Kadachnikov style is more prevalent in the Russian military as a whole.

Jeff

**EricH** · Posted On: 12/27/2006 7:06pm

Originally Posted by budoboy

From what I understand from Vlad, Mikhail's training was less systematic in the past and more about dishing out beatings.

I study under Viktor Sirotin in Seattle who trained under Ryabko in the Soviet Union. He is not part of Ryabko/Vasiliev systema but he corraborates the above statement and a number of other things that Ryabko & Vasiliev have to say about the style including:

1. Ryabko is/was (I don't know his current status) a colonel in the spetsnaz.
2. Ryabko systema was taught only to select units and usually only as unit/mission specific cqc training (there was no fanfare introducing "Ryabko Systema")

This is not quite the independent corraboration that you seek but it does come from outside of the community.